Bionic Band review: Bionic bullcrap 266

I am not going to try to tell you if the Bionic Band works or not. You must try it for your self. But! I am confused by the negative comments. First, there is a unconditional money back policy. If the person you bought from can't be found or will not give your money back the company will. Their contact info is everywhere. Second, the cost is less than a dinner out, less than a doctors visit and less than a bottle of pain pills. Third, the possible benifits are lowering chronic pain, feel stronger, better balance and more energy. Who else is offering this and at no risk to you. Try it, you like it, keep it. Try it, you do not like it, get your money back. Contact me at www.believeit.me and I will treat you with honer and integrity

Nope, not going to contact you, you are a distributor sellign an unlicensed product and keeping money from people who get the placebo effect. That is fraud, there is no science behind this.

The "you must try it for yourself" defence is scamming. Either it works due to the science or it doesn't and you are selling a placebo by making health claims that simply are untrue. Well, the science doesn't work so that leaves you are selling a placebo.

What's more your claim of pain relief definletly requires FDA or EU approval for you to make that claim. Loads o.f band manufacturers outhter make the same claim. None of them are offering any sort of credibel evidence. Try it liek it keep it and you have been ripped off. You will have bought the placenbo effect, and the band will have dine absolutely nothing but make you and the manufacturer money.

If you are confused by the negative comments then you need to understnad that some peopel don't like people making money by making up health benefits and defrauding people, you seem to be fine with that though.

So please take your claim of treating anyone with honour or integrity whilst sellign a produc that has zero evidcen for it and makign claims of medical benefits that require proper testing and go away. You are [censor].

Well its me again. Still do not understand why any one should get upset over a product that offers to give you your money back if you are not happy. Yes I am a distributor, a choice I made by the results I saw. If you buy the band because the results impressed you or because it was fun doing the demos. It still comes back to this if your not happy, return it! Now if some one will not give you your money back, we have a different problem, but from the comments i resd, that does not seem to be the problem. When I sell a band, Im do not claim it does anything. Just try it and if you like it buy it, if not do not buy it. It's that

Because if you are happy is not the point, poeple gettign ripped off being sold a placebo.

The results you saw are placebo, the band does ntohgin at all. It is illegal t o sell placebo's using made up health benfit claims, you are breakign the law. COnsumer law exists to protect the gullible. You wabnt to make money from the gullible, so I guess you couldn't care less abotu whehter your produc ti shonest. it isn't.

Those who are happy are being conend as the band IS NOT DOING WHAT IT IS SAID TO DO, just because are being conned into thinking it is does not make the product a good or even legal product. Utter garbage about you not saying the band does anything, you have siad earluer that it helps with pain and balance. what do you do have a blank stand with a sign sayign tyr this band I'm not saying ti does anythign but buy it. Or do you attribute (incorrectly) the "results" of the scam balance and strength tests to the band rath erhtna being honest and saying it's placebo?

It's a con, pure and simple the band odes nothign at all, and distributors talking about results and claiming that these are what persuaded them need to have a look at what the placeboi effect is, the fact hat the sciecne is complete and utter BS, and that the sellign of placebo's or items which claim to have aphysical effect (such as "alignign your protons) need FDA approval. If you are goign to ignore all consumer protection laws just to make some money you are [censor]. Seemingly that is exactly what yoau re doing and you have no honor or integrity.

Your argument is basically that it doesn't matter if you rip people off as long as they are ignorant of this. Why not just sell a legitimate product hat actually does what it says, how it says to make your living?

Did your mother drop you on your head when you were a baby? Let me get it straight. You bought a product, you were not satisfied, you returned it and got your money back and you are still complaining? Did you ever really buy a band? I did, had it for 5 months, was very satisfied, so much so that I became a distributor.

I have never said I bought a band. I am not stupid enough to by something that the sciecen does nto work for and where teh evidence offered is clearly no evidence at all fo the band having any effect.

I am complaining that idiots like yourself who have not even bothered to see that you are sellign a placebo are continuing to con poeple out of their money with your ridiculous claioms that he band does something.

I guess you think that I should just let you market it, and not point out the gaping flaws in teh sciecne and the "evidence" offered. I don't wnat others to get ripped off by scammer like yourself so I post. The idea that it's ok to scam paople just because someone has been sold something that actually does nothing at all, and certainly does not do anything to your protons as advertised, but they don't realise that it has done nothing shows how you operate. If you sell the snake oil and peopel think it works that's ok by you. Don't worry about things like the fact ti cannot work as described and has absolutely no physical effect whatsoever, as long as people don't realise they have been scammed that's ok by you.

[censor] pure and simple.

Go find somethign legitimate to make a living from, you are sellign a scam and you could not care less.

Fangio,
You say you never bought a band, does that mean that you never tried a band. wore it for a while and then made your decision?

I put one of them around my Johnson. Nothing happened

Sounds like a personal problem/

I have never worn one, why? Well simply TEH SCIECNE DOES NOT WORK AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT IT HAS ANY EFFECT. The try it it works line is the scammers way of gettign people to pay for a placebo effet. What is it you aar finding so hard to see about this? Is wearing it goign to demonstrate to me that it is not the placebo? No. Is it suddenly gogn to make the scicen behind the band, which incidentally doesn't even give aa possible mechanism for pain relief any less BS? No. Is anecdotal evidence that people have had a placebo benefit going to show me any activity by a band that cannot work using the "sciece" teh manufacturers quoted, no. There is no way in which wearing the band would provide any evidence that the band does work.

However, it might allw you to con peopel that eh band did somethign rather than the placebo effect, which is why they woudl hand over moeny to a complete scam.

Sometimes you just look at the sciecne, I don't need to take cyanide to know it's poisonous.

How about you answer a question, have you got any non-anecdotal evidcne ethat this band actually works in any physical way at all ever? (BTW the answer is no you haven't but you reaqlly don't care as long as you cna make some money out of this).

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Hows that Fangio

Fangio
Science is your God and you are insulting Jesus, Guess we all know where you are going to end up. Hint it rhythms with sell. Bionic Band RULES

Canoe

The disclaimer does not cover it. The band claims to alter hte structure of the body it is therefore a medical device. That it says the FDA has not reviewed the product just highlights that despite it being clear that the band claims health benefits (there's a page about pain relief, how is that not claiming to treat people? Seriously just saying it isn't intended to treat anyghtin then putting up a claim that it can be used for treating pain is a compelte contradiction and shows the disclaimer is just there to pretend that it's legal to make such claims) it does not have the required approval.

Science is not my god, however, it is the required method for showing that the product you are selling actually works. It doesn't anyone selling it is a fraudster.

Fangio,
It's been a pleasure chatting with you. You have not tried the product, yet you criticize others that have. I think you should look in the mirror before you call other people names like "[censor]" and "fraudster". You see we have done our homework and are acting responsibly. I do not believe you have even looked at the web site or sales material. You have not done your homework. You are not acting responsibly. When you have a subject that you actually know something about, drop me a line. Until that time, I will no longer respond to you and that second hand bilge that is coming off you key board. Best wishes to you and your family, I hope for your sake and theirs some day you will be able to see the trees, not just the forest.

I have read all of the material and watched the videos, and been over the flaws several times. I have pointed out that the placeboe effect explains theis perfectly, I have also researcehed the tests used by the salesmen to sell this and the fact that they have been shown for over a century to work with or without a stimulus. I have looked into Einstein's theory as quoted by Pedersen, and it does not work on non liquids. I have pointed out that if it did work that if, as he says imbalance is caused by the protons pulling in different directions the effect would be magnified it they all pulled in the same direction. I have pointed out that the idea that increased cellular communication woudl somehow give pain relief from things such as arthritis is garbage. I have asked persistently for non-anecdotal evidence, of a measurable sort to be posted up, but it seems no one supporting the band has anything. I have patiently explained to people what double blind actually means. I have looked at all of the other bands using the self same tests getting the same results yet not using anything like the same supposed "science" explanation, and shown that these bands (including the Power Blance band which uses the exact same tests gets the same results, but is admitted by the manufacturers to have absolutely no credible scientific evidence for it hmmm, those tests are not credibel science?) are also scamming.

I have researcedh the relevatn medical device legislation, which Bionic Band are curently breaking and provided them with a contact name at the FDA to get the ball rolling for them to actually get teh device tested as required under the law.

So yes I have looked at teh website and the information. I have done more homework than just taking a century + old test and falling for the line that the band is having an effect and not btohering to even look to se if it is aplacebo.

So I say it again, based upon the evidence, having clearly done more research than you have, you are sellign a placebo, to people looking for real cures, and people expecitn g real effects frmo the bands action, youare a fraudster.

For you not to be a fraudster you would need to show me CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that this works. If you don't have that evidence you are selling a band with no idea if it works (it doesn't). So come on where is the actual scientific evidence, not the placebo driven anecdotal evidence. Wher is the sciecne that actually is not compeltely made up? Show it to me.

You clearly know nothing but that it makes you money, you have not done your homeowrk, you have no sciecntific knowledge at all, and you are selling a medical device with no license. Why are you pretnding to have conducted any sort of homework?

I love this thing! My husband and I picked one up while in AZ on vacation. Luckily for me, ours were only $30. My husband has had insomnia for over a year now. He would fall asleep fine, but then wake up at 1 or 2 in the morning, only to have to watch TV for 2 or 3 hours to get back to sleep. A week or two later, I had noticed that the TV wasn't going on at night and asked him about it. He realized that since we bought the band, he had actually been sleeping through the night, a full 9 hours at least...no exaggeration. I play volleyball and have noticed that I feel more in the "zone" when I play and it has helped me with my sleep too. I too, (like someone else who posted) "dream" again. I haven't remembered dreaming for a very long time. It's interesting that it seems to do different things for different people. I had a friend who also purchased it that says he feels way more energetic when he is wearing it. I'm not sure what people are expecting who are complaining about it, but I'm enjoying the benefits of mine! LOVE IT!

P.S. Fangio- Seems like to me, you are just wasting a lot of your time on speaking out about this wristband. In reality, you sound like a fool. You haven't tried it, you're just complaining about it and insulting others because you think you are "all knowing". You are not. Don't you think people would be moring willing to take your advice if you actually tried the product? Just saying...

utahmomof4

I am expecting companies nto be be allowed to toally make up a load of garbage and retend it is science adn then flog a placebo illegally to people who are conned into thinking that the badn actually has an effect. It's a placebo, there is noting that the band actually does. when seling it for health benefits the companies are breaking the law and are scamming people.

So what I am expecting is honesty and not fraud, simple.

PS

I am no fool. i know what a placebo is, and I know what applied kineisiology is, I know a con when I see one. i am also fully aware that it I wore the band I might feel a placebo effect, but hte band woudl still be doing nothing. this is what many peopel do not seem to understand tryign the band does not show whether it does naythign.

Simply put there is zero evidecne that teh band does what it says, zero evidence it can do it even theoretically, and no FDA approval for this product which clearly is a medical device as the FDA classify things.

Now I am not saying I am all knowing, I am saying that there is nothing to back the claims that the band does naythgin, and all the anecdotal evidence is pointless as it does nothing at all to distinguish between the band doing something and the placebo effect. Now if you have something to offer that is not just anecdotal great, but if not it is foolish to believe that the product does anythgin at all, when such a load of garbage is put up as the science behind it.

Hey, I just got a free patch put on me (in the morning time) 3 days ago. I was in a hurry and was just being kind to a friend of mine who was trying to tell me about this bionic band thing. Well, all I can say is this, normally, everyday by noon, I start having back pain. Well, I haven't had any pain for 3 days. I later caught up with my friend to get him to tell me about this so called patch, because something was happening to me that was highly unusual called "no pain". What could a stupid patch do, right? Well, I still wasn't convince, so here I get on the web to try and prove him wrong. So, I find this website looking for discouragement from being a fool. It is one thing being "mind over matter when you don't know what the matter is" and another thing when you are starting to feel good for the first time in about a year. I don't know what to say other than I am glad I had the chance to try it. I'm am thankful to feel good for 3 days now. Wow. I'll let you know if it continues. --Pain Free

Fangio

I have not seen any where where it states this product alters the body. from what i have been seeing it is being sold to block the effects of EMFs. I have seen endless articles about that and have had some experience with it as i sold some electronic devices that were designed to emit less EMFs compared to their competitors.

And i have been looking at the item for a while now and it seems on some of the sales peoples pages, the ones they make themselves, they have data that says it has been tested and documented. i did not read the whole thing as it was too long for me, but it was something. i also called the company who makes them and talked to them and they informed me there is a college doing a blind test on it now and will be releasing the results in stages. I guess it will be a test that lasts over a year with the stages based on different time lines. i can only assume 30 days, 3 months, 6 months etc.

it also seems the only ones complaining are ones who have never tried it. I stood around at one show with a vendor selling them (he was not me) and was amazed to see people walking up who have had the bracelet on for various timelines including a lot who had then on for over a year. i dont know, if it is a placabo as you say if it takes my pain away i would be happy.

Osubuzz

I suggest you read the official web page which states quite clearly that the method used is to realign you rprotons, somethign which a several ton multimillion dollar MRI scanner can do, but not a silicone band. Seriously, the science put forward is garbage.

The "data" that people put forward on their own pages are not independent double blind placebo tests. Most of the time they are not even single blinded.

The "tests" they use are applied kineisiology "tests" tht have been proven to be massively flawed.

I await the University of Illinois tests, which will not be over a year, why woudl they? The manufacturers claim teh results are instant, so no need to test over time.

I could not care less if people are happy with aplacebo. They are not being sold it as a placebo they are being sold it as having a physical effect, they are being lied to by the company to give the company profits. I do not think that conmen shoudl eb allowed to make money just because htey have a convincing con. The product CANNOT achieve what it says it does via the method it says it does. It is thereofre being sold ona lie, people are being conned.

Fangio,

There is double blind testing that has been completed showing the effects the Bionic Band has on the body. I know you are wanting proof that it works, but you need to understand one thing. When you look to the FDA and their approvals, all you get from them is a series of test and the list of results, thus the testers draw a conclusion and can amke a statement from that conclusion. Because the Bionic Band does not promise to fix, heal or cure anything, it is not considered a medical device.
Now, understanding that as well as realizing how many drugs and treatments "approved" by the FDA that have later been pulled from use, do you really trust the FDA? Just watch TV tonight and see how many attourney adds you will see for lawsuits against a drug company for poisoning, yes, I said poisoning.

Unfortuneately, you like many other Americans believe that a pill by a drug company, precribed by a doctor will solve your problem, when the majority of the time, it will only mask a symptom.

Finally, try one, you just might learn that the Bionic Band can help. No promises, just results.

So where can we see the cdouble bl;ind tests that show it works, i have seen plenty of tests showing it doesn't work, such as the ones by LIverpool John Moores, NBC, etc, but none that show it does work, so please feel free to say who has done the testing and where tests can be seen. Unsurpsiingly I see claims that double blind tests have been done and it turns out that the tests were not double blind or no one can actually say who did them or where.

As to it not being a Medical Device you do nto udnerstnad hte legislation. I have confirmed with the FDA that it does constitute a medical device. Does the Bionic Band claim to fix anythgin, well yes, it claims to offer pain relief there si a whole section on tehir website that deal with it. It also alters the bodies structure (aligning the protons or so it is claimed) to provide benefits, which on it's own is enough to qualify it.

I could not care less whether you trust the FDA or not. They would ask Bionic Band to provide proof positive (which Bionic Band refuse to provide) as to whether the band does actually align protons or whether theat is a load of crap madfe up to sell the band. they woudl also be able to find out what evidenc there is that any frequency is particularly benfiticial to health, whether Bionic bands are makign up totla and utter [censor] about Einsteins theory whcih applied only to liquids now counts for passing through skin etc. In short whether Bionic Band is simply a placebo being sold based on completel and utter lies from the manufacturer.

That has nothign to do with drug attorney's and surely is the soert fo thing Bionic Band shoudl be forced to prove if they are goign to make claims as they do.

I am not American.

As to your finally, no, it's a placebo, you can get results with a placebo, that doesn't make lying about it and not actually solving the balance and strength issues people have is anythign other than a rip off perpetrated by disgusting con men.

You say no promises, well unless they can promise then they need to stop making the claims.

Simply put, BBionic Bands show some actual evidecne that your product is anytigin other than a placeboe, becuase the "scien" you quote is inaccurate unsubstantiated and in some cases compeltely and utterly made up.

Fangio,

First off, you need to get your facts straight! I searched your claims that Liverpool John Moores tested the Bionic Band and found that it didn't work. Of course what I found was that you were wrong! LJM tested the POWER BALANCE! Here is the link to the website for your education! http://www.power-balance-wristband.net/power_balance_wristband/power-balance-bands-a-listers-love-them-but-are-they-a-con.html
They are not the same nor they use the same system.

Second, the FDA has never requested any information on Bionic Band, so your claim that "Bionic Band refused to provide" is also a lie.

Third, we could tell that you were not American simply by your inability to spell or type, or maybe a little of both.

Fourth, the effects of the Bionic Band are not a placebo because during an open demonstration people are not told what is will do until after they have experienced the effects.

Fifth, you continue to spew assumptions as facts, since you have NEVER been directly exposed to the Bionic Band.

Sixth, with you not even having seen or read the white paper on the testing, you have already concluded that the ""scien" you quote is inaccurate unsubstantiated and in some cases compeltely and utterly made up" (Ihad to cut and paste it because I couldn't even come close to miss spelling the english so badly) proves that you are a brainwashed, closed minded individual that can not believe that something other than a drug might actually have a positive effect on your body.

Seventh, Bionic Band DOES NOT promise to take away pain. Everyone is different and has different problems. Many people have experienced pain relief but some do not. It depends on what is causing the pain. That is why the FDA has not gone after Bionic Band, because no promises have been made.

Finally, your inaccurate assumptions can never outweigh the many people here that have enjoyed the positive effects that they have experienced with Bionic Band.

PS. Please type your response in a word document, do spell check and than paste it in the box. It will make it mauch easier for everyone to read.

If Kinesiology is mind over matter than I have a worthless Masters degree! I have an MA in Kinesology. Ignorance is bliss!

VMD

Kineisiology is not mind over atter, APPLIED KINEISIOLOGY is, they are not the same thing.

Bionicbandonline

Apologies about LJM, You are right they tested another band that provides EXACTLY the same evidence, i.e. just the same anecdotal stuff and the same balance and strength tests.

On the FDA, they do nt need to request the infromation, it is an obligation for anyone selling a medical device to apply for a license. When claiming pain relief as a benefit the Bionic Band is clearly a medical device and yet Bionic Band refuse to apply for a license and provide the details.

Unfortunately the wholse debate about efficacy must be conducted based upon assumptions as Bionic Band publish zero credible evidence that they have managed to do things so far assumed to be impossible. The alignment of protons currently requires a room sized multi-million dollar MRI machine. All Bionic Band have published is a claim that they can do it with a silicone band. I assume they are completely incorrect becuase the science simply does not work, the forces required cannot be produced by a silicone (or neoprene) band.

They claim it is due to Einstein's theory re frequencies in metals passing to water when in contact. However, Einstein's theory extended only to liquids NOT to skin. So thatclaim is incorrect, and is pivotla to the product working.

They claim to have found the frequency at which it is most beneficial but appear to be guessing as again there is absolutley no evidence of testing.

Your claim that the FDA have not gone after Bionic Band is they make no promises is compeltely untrue. I checked with the FDA and have published contact details for the person I spoke to who stated categoricallythat the claims made by Bionic Band make it a medical device.

I can belevie that something other than a drug can work, but the [censor]isation of Eintein's theory as a central plank in teh method for the band working is completely makign up science. The claims about aligning the protons are unsubstantiated, the claims abotu fidning a particular frequency as most ebenfiticaial also. I have not read their paper supposedly backing up thier claim, and have asked for anyone to publish it, I hae asked for this and have asked for ANY evidence on this and one other forum, NOTHING apart from anecdotla evidecne has ever been provided. For over a year that has been the case.

Now we find that they claim that their band is being tested by UWI, yet UWI confirmed that absolutely no teting whatsoever is taking place. They are categorically lying about there being research, and refuse to publish any scientific evidence whatsoever.

My "assumptions" do outweigh the evidence of anecdote, simply because not a single anecdote ever put forward demonstrates this to eb anything other than a placebo. If they had something that actually worked they would not use tests which are completley useless for proving the band actually works, i.e. ones where you can get the same results without the band. If it gives increased strength then they could tests strength legitimately and balance using machine testing instead of an 1890's parlour trick.

Simply put, zero evidence of any credible sort has been provided to demonstrate that the band can achieve teh alignemtn of protons which woudl require an MRI to achieve it for even a fraction of a second, zero evidecne has been produced to demonstrate that obtainign the alignment at a set frequency is possible, zero evidence has been provided to show that this would benefit strength or balance and the principles they use are made up.

PS It is very easy to say people are making assumptions and they should not comment if they haven't seen the evidence, it is a great defence for conmen, all they then have to do is steadfastly refuse to publish the evidence anywhere that critics may see it.

It is also easy to say, we have the evidence, when you do not.

It is also easy to say we have papers that prove it works, when the papaers do not, for example demonstrate that the band aligns the protons, or that Einstein's theory now (despite it not working for Einstein) works on contact with non liquids. IN fact when all you have is evidence that the parlour trick works for people.

All the time that this goes on you can then make claims about the product workign that coudl (and almost certainly do) rely entirely on placeboe and expectation using a test that has no validity for demonstrating the band itself having any effect and certainly no the effect climed re the aligning of protons.

It is a con, nothign has ever been published that demonstrates that it actually does anything. I put the claims that a papaer exists which demonstrates that it works alongside teh claim that UWI are doing testing.

PPS It is entirely possible that I have read the paper. I was directed to a paper on a placebo test conducted on behalf of Bionic band by a distributor. Upon reading it it was clealry no an independent randomised double blnd study, which would have provided evidence as teh methodology included no randomising, and the blinding was not double blind. So maybe I have seen the paper, what I haven't seen is any paper that actually provides evidence that it works, I have only seen ones from Bionic Band which fudge the method and results to make it look like it works

I guess the problem you are having comes from a total misunderstanding of proof. As stated and shown over and over, the effects the Bionic Band has on the body is the proof.
Medical studies do not and can not show the active workings of drugs, medical devices, vitamins, food, water or anything else on the body. All that can be measured is the bodies reaction or change to the sustance. They expose bodies to the testing material and than report the results. That is what has been done by Bionic Band and that is what has been provided.

You continue to spew the same assumptions with no substance. You now admit that you probably did read at least one of the papers on the effects of the Bionic Band and did not believe it. You also admit that you didn't read any other paper and won't beleive it anyway. So do you continue to ask for information when you clearly won't beleive anything anyway? You won"t even believe the people on here who have written about how it helped them personally.

Give this forum the contact info for the FDA rep you have "proof" that Bionic Band is in violation of the law. Provide the contact information from UWI that can verify your claim that they have never tested the Bionic Band.

There are so many things that effect the human body that can not be "proven" with "evidence" as you would want. Show me gravity. Not the effects that is has on the body or substance, but actual gravity. Show me air, not wind, not a tornado, but air. Hold it in your hand and show me. You can't. I bet you don't believe in magnetic fields either!
You speak about a large machine being used to align protons and that is the only way to produce the effects.
Where does a magnet get its "mysitcal" power and how can it keep it without being plugged in like an multi-million dollar MRI needs? The answer is simple, they take bare ferrous metal and using a machine, alter the metal to produce a magnetic reaction. Now this reaction you can not see or "proof", but it is there and you can see the effects on many different bodies.
By the way, you might want to check, but SKIN is made up of WATER! In fact the human body is about 70% plus WATER!

The Bionic Band is not a rubber or silicone band like what you assume. Granted, we have made silicone bands and treated them to hold the frequency, but they do not last as long as the Bionic Band Original or Bionic Band jewelry.

You believe that everybody is trying to con each other. I feel very sorry for you. I know that I am trying to help people and have done that with Bionic Band Family of Products. I know that people will struggle to believe the science and the product. I am okay with that. People have been taken. This isn't one of them but you won't believe anything anyway. The company and the distributors offer and 30 day money back money guarantee for the simple reason is, if it is not working for you, than we (and I) don't want you to pay for something that isn't helping you.

Again, no promises, just results.

Come offit. The tests use show zero effect of the band on the body. Not one effect at all, no evidecne that it is not all int eh mind whatsoever. I think you have a misconception of proof if you regard tests which cannot, by there very nature, show that the band is effecting the body are proof that the band does anything.

The poitn about the MRI is YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE EFFECT. Bionic Band offer nothing like that they show no physical effect whatsoever.

You sell the typical conman line of "so many things can't be proven". Well don't claim a method if you can't prove it. Why spout the BS about aligning protons if you cannot show this in any way at all. It's simply makign it up if it has not been observed.

I guess your idiotic oversimplistic "Magnets keep their magnetism" argument demonstrates your gullibility in beleiving in psuedoscience. The power required to get a magent to align protons is massive. Pretending that it can be achieved using frequncies is ridiculous.

I know the body is made of 70% "water. However, Einstiens theory was for DIRECT contact with LIQUID water. The [censor]isation of his theory ignoring the need for direct contact withte liquid demonstrates the deception here.

You can spout the "no promises just results" crap as much as you like, it does nto change the fact athat peopel do not return it wihtin 30 days if the placebo and expectation effects work temporarily for them, the band does absolutely nothign physical, as you claim it does. The manufacturers have provided absolutely zero evidence that they have observed a physical effect let alone the aligning of particles. They have provided zero evidence that Einstein's theory that they rely on, now does not require direct contact with a liquid. They provide no evidence that aligning protons increase strength and balance. Tehy provide nothing, and where they do make claims they are clealry BS.

You say people struggle to beleiv ethe science. Bionic Band publish no science they publish assertions with zero scientific backing or evidene, most of which is clearly incorrect. I fell sorry for you in a way int hat you beleive such things without thinking about it. They don't have any independent double blind randomised tests even to show it is not a placebo, let alone any evidence that it does what it says how it says.

No evidence except for tests that do not even require a physical placebo to replicate and a large charge for a band that costs less than $2 to make. They say if it loks like duck and quaks like a duck it's probably a duck, this looks like a scam and quacks like a scam.

I guess we will see whether the company have any proof of their claims when the Advertising Standards Authority in the UK get their reply about the claims of strength and balance increases from Bionic Bands UK. If no evidnece is offered and they have to remove their claims of any performance benfits I guess they will have no evidence, why else would they remove teh claims? I look forward to the conclusion of their investigation.

Again you continue on your self serving statements that the Bionic Band does nothing with having no, none, zero experience. I speak from a place of knowledge vision and experience. You speak from a place of ignorance, assumptions and self servance.

Still waiting for the contact info for the person at the FDA and UWI that you claim you spoke with.

Again, you spout FDA, UWI, etc. You state that Bionic Band has [censor]ized this and that, but you have given NOTHING but your belief. Not one shread of evidence showing where anything has ever been proven against Bionic Band. You can't even tell the difference between Power Balance and Bionic Band because you have NO CLUE!

Now you spout about psuedoscience and want to put everything you can't and won't believe into the that box to make yourself feel better. Natural science and cures have been around far longer than the [censor]IZED UK Medical system. You keep going to your doctors as they continue to keep you full of drugs ans accept their science as truth.

I look forward to the conclusion of the investigation as well.

PS: After a minor amount of research, it doesn't apear that the ASA would even deal with what you claim to be false advertising since their website states: "Companies' trading practices, contractual matters, the quality of goods and services, claims on packaging and trade names are all dealt with by trading standards." And Medicines or Medical Devices as you claim Bionic Band should be considered would be covered by "Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency".

It is just a shame that you talk so much without having any substance.

Exerience? Experience of what? You cannot say "from experience" that the band is doing something, it could be placeboe or expectation, becuase hte tests are completely falwed adn the anecdote is feeling not evidence. That you fail to understand this (or deliberately just go with feelings because you know absolutley no evidence of the band actually doing anythng at all.

The [censor]ization I refer to is the complete lie that the product is based on Einstein's theory regarding the passin g of frequencies, when Einsteins theory stopped at being able to do it to liquids and DID NOT extend to non liquids. That is a [censor]isation, it is completely made up, using the name of Einstein but lying about his science.

After a larger amopunt of research (just as with the FDA who I bothered to contact rather thn just making it up as you do) I found they regulate advertising including the advertising of medical products, and as of 1st March they regulate the all marketing claims on the internet in the UK. MHRA regulate licensing of products.

That is why the ASA stated that

"Your complaint

We have considered your complaint and we will take it up with the advertiser.

We intend to deal with your complaint under our formal investigations procedure, which means we will ask Bionic Band UK to comment on the complaint and send evidence to support the claims. We will then draft a recommendation and refer your complaint to the ASA Council for adjudication. You will have an opportunity to comment on the recommendation before it is considered by the Council. Once the Council has made a decision, the adjudication will be published on our website.

If Bionic Band UK responds to your complaint by offering to change the advertising in a way that resolves your concerns, we may close the case without refering it to Council or publishing an adjudication. This has the advantage of resolving your complaint more quickly. However we resolve the complaint, we will let you know the outcome.

A copy of our complaints procedure is enclosed..."

I guess you are more of an expert than they are since they have already evaluatedx whether the case falls under their remit and needs investigating due tot eh claims made, seem to think it is under their remit and the claims need investigating, and you say it isn't. Either that or you have not got a clue what you are talking about.

Cynthia Benson of the FDA wrote to me that

"Your interest in contacting the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) through your recent email is appreciated.

After looking at the website whose link you provided and seeing the claims of pain relief and more, it appears that the Bionic Band would qualify as a medical device under the regulatory authority of the FDA. You can read more about this authority at the FDA medical device website of http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/Overview/ClassifyYourDevice/ucm051512.htm ."

Angela Tee at UWI wrote back saying

"I received the message below requiring your inquiry about Bionic Band research taking place at WIU. I oversee our human subjects research at the University. To the best of my knowledge, we do not have researchers at WIU studying the Bionic Bands." She later confirmed that some researchers had thoguht about doping it but had decided not to, certainly no research ever took place, it was never started.

I don't want to publish their e-mail addresses on here, go find them yourself.

Again with the your assumption and the acknowledgment that you have never been physically present for a test of the Bionic Band at all. You assume that the test "it could be placebo or expectation, " but don't know the procedure for conducting the test other than the video on the website. You have never seen a live demonstration. I talk about experience because I have performed hundreds of test with the Bionic Band without telling people a thing other than "let me show you something".
I have had family and friends perform test on each other without me touching either party, so my supposed "conman" skills could not be used. I have handed these people "imprinted" and "non-imprinted" bands without them know which is which and have seen only the people with the "imprinted" Bionic Band have improved body balance and strength reaction.
I have seen adult children bring the elderly parents to my booth and ask to put one on their parent; without telling the parent anything, we have them walk away from the booth so we can visually see the general gate of the parent and then walk back. We put a Bionic Band on the parent who asked "what is this", we answered, nothing just walk, and the adult child and everybody else can visually see the gate and walk improve. We take the Bionic Band off and have them walk again and the gate and walk go bad again. The parent had no idea or expectation because we didn’t tell them ANYTHING.

The above are just a few of my experiences with the Bionic Band. Admittedly, you have none, just your preconceived belief system.

I have read your many posts on here. You started out by telling people that they were experiencing a placebo effect without having ever met or spoken with them. You don’t know what they have experienced but want to put them down.
Next you want to call the purchase of the Bionic Band “for pain relief” as illegal, which it is not. When you truly read the words of the information on “Pain Relief”, it is explaining the belief of why people have “reported pain relief”. Nothing is promised. I have people all the time ask if it will relieve their pain and I openly, freely and honestly tell them that I DO NOT KNOW. I am not a doctor, did not examine them, nor did I diagnose them. Many users report that they experience pain relief and some do not. That is why they get the 30 day money back guarantee. And before you say it, they get my full contact information and I send them an email after the purchase so they can reply or request refund if need be.
I know you want to think that this is a con and that is your right, but bashing good people who have provided their honest experience with the Bionic Band is not right.

You said: “Tests shoud be double blind, and independent and on a large number of subjects, unfortunately Bionic Band don't thinkn that is a good idea.” with absolutely no knowledge. You had never even seen any research or documentation that has since been provided, but were already labeling people as “stop scam artists exploiting people”. Another of your early assumptions was “however since there is no evidence” but since you received the testing, you have understandably stuck to your original preconceived belief.
You said about the double blind test: “visible difference between the two bands “…..(which tere is if the metal peice which is visible is missing)” and again were wrong. The double blind testing was conducted with identical looking bands, both sets with identical looking metal pieces. Only half of the samples had been “imprinted” with the frequency and half had not. The testers do not have knowledge of which was which, but only had bands A and bands B. So you assumed that the testing was flawed because you have no first hand knowledge.
You said: “as the company DO NOT provide identical uncahrged models that woudl be necessary for a proper double blind test.” and again you are stating an assumption as fact with no first hand knowledge. The double blond testing was explained above.
You replied to my statement about the creation of magnets with: “The power required to get a magent to align protons is massive.” Which is correct but you assume that the Bionic Band does not require “massive” power to imprint the metal, but in fact requires 20 hours of treatment within the machine. No, we will not tell you how it is done because that is a trade secret and whether you like it or not, that does not have to be disclosed to anyone, similar any other trade secrets by Coke, Pepsi, Ipad, etc.

While Ms Benson may believe that the Bionic Band is a medical device, using the text directly from the FDA website "intended for use in the diagnosis of disease or other conditions, or in the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease, in man or other animals, ". What "disease or condition" does the Bionic Band claim to cure, mitigate, treat or prevent"? The text of the Bionic Band advertising clear states: "Some people wear the Bionic Band® because of reported pain relief." There is no claim of pain relief by Bionic Band, but they are addressing a reported claim from users of the Bionic Band.

it has been over 100 days since you reportedly contacted Ms. Benson at FDA. Any actions from the FDA? NOPE! Because upon further review, no action was neccesarry because none was warranted. So you have to continue your personal crusade you bash anyone who would believe in something you just can't fit in to your little box.

As far as your response to my question about whether or not the ASA was relavent to your claim of bad advertising practices, you assumed that I may a statement about whether or not the ASA had authority. You need to read and comprehend, not just blow over text and jump to conclusions. I stated that is "appears", which is clearly an opinion rather than a fact. I actually allow for an alternate understanding of information. You continue to make statements of opinion as if they are factual. You have had no facts and continue to have none, only assumptions.

On the UWI info you provided, which one is it? You have written UWI numerous times but in the published response, Ms Tee twice states WIU? Are you sure you wrote to the correct place? You can't even tell the difference between Power Balance and Bionic Band as proven in your addmission one day ago.

Yawn

Fact - I have contacted the FDA they confirdme it is a medical device, they did not use just one section of the rules but the rules in totality to make that judgement. Why has there been no further action, as a non US citizen I chose not pursue it, which was an option given to me by Ms Benson. If you like I can make a request for them to follow up on this.

Fact - I contacted the university listed by Bionic Bands as conducting the research, they acknowledged that researchers had thought about doing something, but decided not to. It seems that you labour under the delusion that simply not telling some one somethign about the band means it is blind, that is not teh case. Observer bias provides for expectation to cause greater performance. This is the exact reason that double blind randomised tests were introduced. I do not need experience of the band to know that the tests you conduct are flawed, you do not describe double blind randomised tests you describe a single product being tested at a sales point. The tests are thereofre completely invalid from an evidential point of view. You will of course refuse to believe that which shows you know next to nothing about science.

You say the metal peice was in for both tests, not waht was said at the time i posteed about it. However, I woudl love to see this research please let me know whetre it is publicly available.

The bit about the magentic force itn eh band is compelte hocum. The MRI requires the massive power constantly to be applied for it to work. The power is used up as the MRI works, it cannot maintain the chagre when teh power is turned off. Bionic band comes with no power source. Let me see, massive power to make it work for a couple fo seconds, or 20 hours and the massive charge (by the way at a level whic is dangerous for humans to be in conract with) stays forever. Hmmm, what's that I smell?

Fact - The ASA have decided to investigate the claims made by Bionic Band in the UK, which are of performance gains from the band, and will require proof (not anecdotal evidence) that it works.

I could nto give a crap about your honest experience of the band. Your experience is anecdotal, it provides absolutley no evidence of whether the band does anything itself or not. It is not evidecne that teh band works. This is why me trying on the band provides zero evidecne at all of the band working.

with regard to pain relief I suggest you try http://www.bionicband.com/Web/ww/en/painrelief.dhtml

"When you place the Bionic Band® on your body, you are creating that same balance and also opening up the energy pathways (circuits) by aligning the protons and creating that "cellular teamwork". All this without the needles of TCM!"

This is a claim that a physiological change occurs which gives pain relief. it is not merely some people get pain relief, it si purporting to be an explanation as to how Bionic Band makes a physical change in the body to relieve pain. I suggest you look a the FDA rules in light of the physiological change relieving pain.

As to not knowingf the procedure for conducting tests, EVERY time a salesman has explained how he or she did the tests, adn the paper put out by Bionic Band sayign how they have tested DID NOT show the tests conducted as double blind randomised placebo tests.