We are new to the business.and we didn't know the reputation of Collective pos.
This scam scheme started five weeks ago, on Nov.9th, 2011. The sales Rep. from Collective POS name George Georgiades came in to our salon offered me a lower rate for Visa, Master and Debit transaction charges. He calculate on a piece of paper all the possible cost we’ll have with them which is lower than what we paid to Moneris now.(we still keep the paper he sketched on, He intentionally neglect a lot of hidden cost ) He said he will call the Moneris in our behavior to cancel the service and switch to them. By his experience, because he made so much call each week. In most case, Moneris won’t charge anything. In worst case maximum $250. If any cost for cancelation happens, they will pay us back in full amount. Also if we decide before next week Tuesday, We can get another $100 promotion credit. Again, after 60 months rental (which is$40 per months all included) we own this machine.
I asked him right away what if we run out of business before 60 months what will happen? He said we can just simply return the machine with no cost (He didn’t mention the complication of return and the cost at all). So far everything he said satisfied me, it seems like worth to switch.
Second week, Sign the paper scheme.
We replied on Tuesday, He booked appointment on Wednesday Nov 16, 2011, 7pm which is our closing time. Me and my business partner Nader sit with him, reviewed all the details we discussed last week once again, because this the first time he met Nader. Then, he brought out some application forms like papers, and apologized he didn’t have time to go back his office get some ready ones, so we have to fill it up by hand. All the time papers is in his hand, he fill it up by asking our questions, and we go through again all the details when he writ it on to the forms to confirm our discussion. From the distance cross the table, we couldn’t see clear what is print in that forms, and he made us only concentrate on what he was writing, He keep us busy on copying the document he need, preparing a void check . It feels like the papers are nothing really important, It just a routine paper work need to be done. At last he turned the bottom part of paper toward me, point out where to sign, where to put initials, that’s it, less than one minute, very fast, very smooth. He didn’t even let me hold the paper for a minute, nor did to mention read it. When my partner offered to sign, he said one signature is good enough. So, even my partner had no chance to touch those papers. Then he put away all the papers. When we ask for a copy of that, He said he will print out a more formal one bring to us later. Shake hands. We are in troubles.
Third week, things turned to be a little fishy.
We connected the new machine on Nov. 21 2011
He didn’t show up as he promised, over the phone he’s always in a meeting in far away West Island. We had to call Moneris ourselves to cancel the service (which cost us $341 cancelation fee). No signed papers delivered to us. We almost forgot those papers. The first charge $25 showed on our bank account same day on Nov. 21 2011. He explained that is half of the application fee which we agreed. But we asked him why don’t deduct it from that $100 credit they promised. He explained we’ll see it evened out when we get our first statement by the end of Dec. (later the manager K.G said we’ll get it in March 2013).
Fourth week, something going wrong
On Nov. 28, 2011. Second charge showed on bank account. It’s a weird $ 63.93 we had no idea what that is for. He explained it’s the machine supplier NL charges us not Collective. And he hopes we know that they charge first and last month at first bill. $63.93 probably is part of that. How could we know this if he never mentioned to us. Still with hope, I asked when we return the machine, could we get the last month deposit back. And he said he is not sure, but he will try to negotiate with NL for us.( he knows everything, but keep fool us around) I’m still thinking we can return the machine any time we want.
Fifth week, reeled in tight.
On Dec. 1st, 2011, just three day after the second charge, two more deduction from our account. One from NL lease company$50.51, the other one from Collective$15.99. We didn’t check our account until Dec 7, 2011. With big confusion, I called him, again It was very first time I heard he mention that NL will charge $4.96 insurance plus tax each months for security purpose. And $3.95plus tax is for Collective monthly service fee. These all the costs we never heard about. It add up our monthly expenses more than we paid before to Moneris.It doesn’t make sense any more for this switch but too late Moneris deduct $341 from our account on Dec6, 2011 for cancelation.
He still play like an angle, he promise to try negotiate with NL to remove the insurance cost, and himself also confused why it came out such weird numbers. So, he suggests me to call bill department, and call his boss K.G.as well. I called bill department right away, a lady there know how to answer me. She said:” In my hand is the contract with your signature on it.” Till now, she reminds me the papers, we still not having it. I called Geoge G, urge him to give us a copy.
On Dec. 8, 2011. 22 days after, we first get a chance to read this so called contract, yes with my signature on it. All the charges they try to hide show in a fine print. All the part they used as a lure is filled in with handwriting. We called the NL lease company, same answer waiting for us, the cancelation fee will be $2600 high.
Two choice in front of us, stay with this crooked company, wait them fulfill their promises? Or, Fight this injustice. We choose the back one.
NLS LEASING IN CANADA IS SAME AS MBF LEASIN IN NEW YORK. THEY ARE THE THIEF BEHIND COLLECTIVE POS
Class action lawsuit update:
The latest on the lawsuit against Northern Leasing Systems Inc.:
"The Court has held that only the first page of Northern Leasing's standard form lease was valid and enforceable, and the remaining three pages were invalid. That decision is now under appeal before the Appellate Division. "
http://www.northernleasingclassaction.com
The latest on the lawsuit against MBF Leasing LLC.:
Sara Wallace of ABC 7 News:
"For now, the class action lawsuit names Northern Leasing, but Chittur plans a separate suit on behalf of MBF clients like Kostas Gagasoules, who owns a small fur and storage salon on Long Island."
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/investigators&id=6802369
There are a lot of details in the links I provided above. That is all for now.
Peace to all.
Hello, all victims in CANADA. We need to be united, a class action is on the way, first get your information updated on web site
http://www.northernleasingclassaction.com
http://www.merchantpointofsale.com/
Now the case is on trial in favor of the plaintiff side, once they got final judgement. It's will be the time for Canadian to file a class action, meanwhile, file a complain to Better Business Bureau in New York State for the company name Northern Leasing 132 west 31st street, New York, NY 10001 include your leasing or contract No. they will reply to you with a letter show their company logo and your lease No. That's enough, we got prove we are the victims of this international fraud company. Ignore the content of the letter how they denying everything.
Also check the phone No. they've been harass you or the letter you recieved from nls leasing Toronto, Vancouver, or Edmonton Is there show the contact No. [protected] or [protected] on it? Then go Northern Leasing: Contact
www.northernleasing.com/contact you will find these No. shows on their collecting department contacts list
contact me yinz51@yahoo.com we'll sue them together in CANADA
Hello, all the victims in CANADA. We need to be united.First get your information updated at
www.northernleasingclassaction.com/
http://www.merchantpointofsale.com/
The case is on trial in favor of plaintiff side, once they got final Judgement, It'll be the time for CANADIAN to file a class action.
Meanwhile, file a complain to Better Business Bureau in New York States include your lease No. or Contract No. to the company name Northern leasing 132 West 31st Street. New York NY 10001, that's where these thieves hiding .they will reply to you with their company logo and your lease No. That's what we want, the prove we are the victims of this international fraud company.
Also, you can check the Phone No. they've been harassed you or the letter they mail to you from NLS leasing Toronto, Vancouver, Edmonton, Is there No. [protected] or 0410 show on it? then go to http://www.northernleasing.com/contact, you will find these No. show in their collecting department's contact list.
you can email me at yinz51@yahoo.com for a future class action in canada
I'm a sales rep for a merchant service provider (I won't say which one because I'm not here to sell). These scams are VERY common for these small white label companies. They will lure you in with low discount rates, but will have hidden monthly fees, setup fees, long contracts & lease contracts with big cancellation fees.
In Canada, you need to be very careful, and only stick with 4 companies. Moneris, Global Payments, TD Merchant Services, or Chase Payment Tech. All the other companies are smaller and will most likely even process through these companies.
You can tell if a merchant services provider is a "white label" company if they offer you lease & purchase options only. They want you to lease the terminal so that you'll be in a long contract with a leasing company. (usually 7 years)
What happens if the terminal breaks down? Odds are, if you leased the terminal, they will make you pay a fine to replace it.
Do yourself a favor, and stick with the big 4. Don't be fooled by low discount rates!
Im an owner of a spa in Alberta, and yes POS Transactions also scammed me! All this info. was very useful. I ended up talking to the RCMA, my lawyer and Canadian Anti-Fraun Cerntre about them because I did send them 2 cheq. already. They informed me to write a letter back to POS Transactions stating that I want all invoices to stop and if they tried to cash the cheq the Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre and the RCMP will have a driect track record of who they are. So now we are waiting for whoever is in charge of POS Transactions to cash the cheq so they just the justice that they deserve! Call Canadian Anti Fraud Certre is Ottawa also! [protected].
I have had the same experience with my sales rep: Michael Patel. Even after asking specific questions, I was told complete lies. He explained my contract to me incorrectly, and each month, I get new surprise charges being taken out of my bank account. MULTIPLE additional charges!
Specific lies so far (only our 2nd month into the service):
(1) No administrative fees = I was charged $25 for 2012 and $25 for 2013 plus taxes from the leasing company NLS.
(2) Customer service will answer in 15 seconds or less guarunteed = I have not been able to get through any earlier than 3 minutes
(3) Lifetime warranty against theft, damage, loss, etc = $4.95 additional fee for insurance coverage
(4) Could cancel at any time for $90 cancellation fee = can not cancel lease agreement, only data plan fee for $500
(5) All rates inclusive in the rates I was quoted = additional rates depending on the card and cardholder's bank or credit company
(6) If no transactions are made, $20 fee per month applies = monthly minimum regardless of $15 even if transactions are put through.
DO NOT TRUST THIS COMPANY!
I have a small compagnies in Montréal and, on March 2012, George Georgiades did the same thing to me.
I have never see a company like that before. Collective POS and NLS Leasing are liar and all they want is the money. I was waiting for 4 months to resolve the problem with their machine and nobody want to help me. Eachs months, they give me a different reason. I want to cancel because they have no services and all they do is take the money from my bank.
I was afraid because they have my account bank numbers and I decide to change my account with my bank. It's the only way to be secure.
To many people complains all around the U.S. and Canada.
All I do now it's to advice all the people don't sign with those compagny.
(Sorry for my english)
Collective POS gives low rates, which should be all inclusive and they explain to you like that, but it is NOT true. There are hidden fees and the rates increase over time. It can cause you lots of frustration. They also make it very hard and costly for you to leave. Once you sign, you will be locked up with them for years unless you are ok with around $390 cancellation fee. As a small business owner, you have to run your business at the same time be watching your rates. Your rates can increase and your monthly fee can increase over time for no reason. You have to call them over and over again to get the rate readjusted. They may not even readjust your rate if they don't want to. You can leave, but for over $390 cancellation fee. It is a very stressful experience. It makes small business owner's life just so much harder.
bonjour
svp j'ai besoin d'aide ; Est-ce que qq peux m'aider par rapport à la cie nls qui veulent que je paie leur frais durant 5 ans de 30$ par moi et ce même si j'ai fermé mon entreprise.
merci à vous