Forever Grand Vacations review: Scam 28

Vacation companies deal with thousands of customers every year.
So you get 2 or 3 customers that are unhappy and they post their comments on the internet.
How do you even know if these people are real customers or just ex-employees?
I would make up my own mind by visiting one of these companies, rather than relying on anonymous sources of information.

Forever Grand Vacations was known as Travel More Now until they changed their name in Feb 2008. Before that they were Travel Source Network and before that Travel Source International and before that Players Club International, all owned by James J Kilroy of Branson, MO. The changing of names is not only to protect them from lawsuits but so they can resell members who come back and complain about the former company.
Travel clubs do not work, they do not get deals on airlines or cruises or motels nada, they find the same thing you can find by going on the internet. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY.

have tried over and over to use our "wonderful" travel discount packages that were allegedly available with this "company" - i can find exactly the same prices they quoted me by myself online - i wouldn't be surprised if their "customer service agents" in india aren't also checking the same travel sites as i am talking to them - this is a total and ridiculous scam - i am currently a member and am unabashedly ashamed that i even fell for this stupid "program". they should be as ashamed as i am for taking advantage of people the way they do...i'm awaiting a phone call to appease me - doubt it will come!

Check out Grand Design Travel complaints. This is porbably the same company, they have changed names numerous times and ripped off people of thousands of dollars. Folks who were ripped off in Alabama have contacted the Alabama Attorney General to file complaints. I hope everyone files with the Attorney General of their particular state. These folks are the "Bernie Madoff" of the travel industry.

The changing of names is not only to protect them from lawsuits but so they can resell members who come back and complain about the former company.

I am a member with this company, and I have NEVER been treated the way these people are talking about. My family and I have used it to travel to 7 different states with amazing results. I would encourage you to look for facts about because if you believe everything these people say, when they can anything they want with their I.d. protected...you're missing out! My wife and I did Hawaii for our 50 th through them. It was perfect and we loved everything they did for us!

Robert FLorida - you must work for the company, I have filed complaints with the Alabama Attorney General and the Texas Attorney General. Anyone can contact any of the people who complained and get their info. In fact, the website provided to me, www.outriggertravelclub.com is no longer even in service, it only provides vacation info to Hawaii, Figi and a couple of other places, no where near the worldwide vacations I paid $3000.00 for,
log onto it and see for yourself. No one on this site has any ulterior motive in expressing their compaints. What could they possibly have to gain? This company defrauded me out of $3000.00, some people lost as much as $8000.00. I don't know how much you ened up paying for your Hawaii vacation, I hope it wasn't in the $10, 000.00 range.

Don't know what happened to my prior post. The last 2 sentences should read: I don't know how much you ended up paying for your Hawaii vacation, I hope it wasn't in the $10, 000 range . By the way, I have tried to contact this company through email, letters and phone calls at least 7 times - I have never received a response. I would be very happy if you would provide a telephone number of someone I can talk to.

One of the selling points of Forever Grand Vacations is the Better Business Bureau's rating of A+ for Travel To Go, the travel agency the are representing. If you want a better idea how the BBB rates this outfit, ask to see the BBB report for Forever Grand Vacations. It's a "C", probably they won't have a print out to show you but you can look it up on the Internet.

Forever Grand Vacations is nothing short of a scam.

I'm happy to say that we cancelled our membership within the 3 day's allowed and just received "ALL" our money back (credited to our credit card so we don't have to worry about their check bouncing) from FGV including the $350 that their contract states is nonrefundable. They claim this is a fee paid to the state, my response was that I didn't care whose pocket it came out of, I wanted a total refund. When I suggested that I would be spending the next few days in the parking lot passing out copies of FGV's BBB report (it's a C) and copies of consumer complaints posted on the internet to folks coming to their presentation ...presto, they found an extra $350.00 lying around that they decided to give us.

If you haven't purchased a membership, think twice before you do. If you have, do some research on the internet and if you cancel make sure you bring everything back that they gave you including any vouchers for restaurants. I'm not a lawyer but my guess would be that if you have used the restaurant voucher and therefore cannot return everything they gave you, you may not be able to cancel. Are there any attorneys out there who can answer that question?

It all worked out well for us, unfortunately it seems that many get taken by these... "thieves" is the only word that comes to mind. And I can assure you that Danny is not the smiling happy-go-lucky guy you met during the presentation when you go back to cancel.

Thanks for the above comments. After reading that and the complaints on this and other websites, we cancelled our membership using the same tactics. If you are considering purchasing into this program, don't walk away, RUN!

my wife and I recently stopped by the "veterans welcome center" in branson missouri. expecting to be given info on how to get discounts in branson, we were, unfortunately, unsurprised to get a sales pitch promising $125 just to go see the presentation at forever grand vacations. I wonder if they realize the people bring computers and have access to free wifi in their hotels? But thanks to all your posts i am taking precautions to make sure i dont end up with a enormous charge on our credit card and am also collecting info to bring back to the JAG at my wifes military post. Not only does this sound like a scam but has all the telltale signs of one. Just hoping we get our $125 promised cash! I just want to warn all veterans, soldiers and anyone possible about this sceem. I have not yet been to the presentation but have a feeling. I will post later after the presentation to provide further info!

Forever Grand Vacations' Better Business Bureau rating has been downgraded to "D". The good new for them is that it can't go much lower.

My wife and I were cheated out of $2000.00 on 10-04-03 when "Forever Grand Vacations" was called "Travel More Now"
After a presentation by "A-HOLE" Stan Hitchcock, my wife and I were put through a HIGH pressure sales pitch involving Doug Livenett, Linda Messenger, and the then manager Jackie Lowe. We tried to get our money back the next day, but were not successful. We later were involved with a lawsuit against "Travel More Now" by then the attorney General of Mo. Jay Nixon. Jim Kilroy was found not guilty and got out of paying back hundreds of thousands of dollars that he and his cronies bilked out of honest people visiting Branson. I would like to see all of the above named people hung by there thumbs until dead in a public square. This will not happen I'm sure, but everybody they helped cheat out of money will have the satisfaction of knowing that they will "BURN IN HELL" when they leave this world, and I will be at the head of the line. DO NOT SIGN UP FOR ANY PROMOTIONS OR FREE SHOW OR FREE RESTAURANT TICKETS WHEN YOU VISIT ANY INFORMATION CENTERS IN OR NEAR BRANSON !

We purchased a membership November 2012 after a high pressure sales pitch. They said that our time share in Branson was a rip off and they would have a sister company sell it within 6 months and if it didn't sell- they would take the "loss" by selling the Travel2Go membership to us for 3000 instead of 9k+ . They also said that we should profit 4-5k on the sale. We put down either 600 or 800 that day and then when doing our due dilligence after the fact, we felt we had been ripped off but when made calls to recind thr purchase- they said we needed to give our condo time to sell. Then about 2 months later, a man called a few times trying to get me to pay him 400.00 more to put our condo in another program that would increase the liklihood that it would sell. We only owed 4 more years on it. Anyway, at this point I am considering stopping payment 126.00 month and see if they want to chase after me for a membership that I havent been able to use nor did it happen as they presented. At this point they have received over 2000.00 and I have no "real product" so maybe they can sell it to another sucker. Anyone cancelled their contract by stopping payment and if so what were the ramifications? Carrie from Texas

I have a question and i don't know if anybody can give me an answer but here goes. My brother & his wife got sucker into this back in the 1st part of Oct and so far they have not paid out any money but the papers they signed was an agreement to a credit card that they have to pay $62.00 a month for 15 month. They have to do this 3 times so they would be paying $62.00 for 45 months. My question is if they have not called them back an activated the card can they still get out of it? If there is anybody that can help me get some answers please send me an email...ekmill6324@gmail.com asap Thank you, E

As with many other aspects of timeshare ownership, amazing advertised freebies are not all what they’re cracked up to be. Some sales agents throw in special vacation certificates, but beware. Free vacations like these end up costing unsuspecting couples and families hundreds of dollars in hidden fees. Don’t assume that these freebie vacations include costs like transportation or other undisclosed fees:

http://www.timesharescam.com/blog/134-timeshare-vacation-packages/

I personally send lots and lots of wonderful people to forever grand, and always leave them my card with contact info asking them to please call me if they have any complaint's, problems etc, I honestly have yet to have any complaint's, , , , , infact I get great review's and wonderful client's and friends in the process! Branson mo is a wonderful place, with wonderful people, churches, show's etc and would certainly not put up with scams within ou n G! so I advise you yo come check out forever grand yourself and see what a nice place with great deal's that they offer!
Thank you n GOD bless you!

The timeshare resale scams are just a symptom. They need to do something about the timeshare scam itself. An obligation 'in perpetuity' - that passes to your children? There is almost no legal way out of the obligation, even if you don't use the facilities and want to sell it back (they won't take them back). In other words, they hawk 'property' that you cannot resell, cannot give back, and has literally no value in the market - and tell you that you have to pay 'maintenance' forever... and that they can assess 'special fees' on in order to do repairs they *should* have been doing with the maintenance fees:

http://www.timesharescam.com/blog/105-timeshare-resale-scam-companies/

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In September 2014, my husband and I signed up for Forever Grand Vacations. At a cost of $7, 544.00. After checking into the complaints on the internet, we decided it was not what they told us. The following morning we called to cancel the purchase. "Randy" was the one we had to talk to, and he was always busy, or out. Therefore the time limit to cancel was expiring. We had to return home, but continued to call. By the time we finally got through, it was too late to cancel. We hired a lawyer who charged us over $3, 700.00. So we lost over $3, 000.00 on the deal plus a lot of our time and aggravation.
This is a SCAM. RUN AWAY FROM THEM or lose your money..

My husband and I attended the one in Branson Mo. submitted all necessary qualifications four days prior to attendance, once they saw we were people of color we were automatically denied after being previously approve, but good for us cause due to their blatant racist attitude we were spared from being scammed! If your of any color DO NOT attend the one un Branson Mo. It's obvious they don't want you there!

I am so sorry I didn't get to check on this company before handing over my hard earned money.Like they say "if it sounds to good to be true it probably is". Run, run as fast as you can.

Very interesting to see these comments. We just sat through the sales pitch after buying $300 of show tickets for just over $100. The sales pitch was the high pressure type. They started out with a premium package for $9000. I said that was way too much for us so they offered a $5000. Still too much. Finally they offered a $2000 package for one week of vacation and blah blah blah. Then another "manager" came in and offered even another discount. I was getting annoyed at that point. It annoys me when someone just won't offer their best price up front instead of pretending they are some flea market in Bangladesh. Most of the other "customers" left before us. I think what happens is during the powerpoint presentation, they have cameras setup to observe the potential customers. I pretended to really be interested, shaking my head up and down a number of times so we really got the full pressure treatment I think. Anyway we walked out and now I am glad we did. Watch out for high pressure sales pitches. Still, sitting through this saved us some money on show tickets and I appreciate that. The next day we went past the office and the lot was filled with cars again. They do not seem to have any shortage of people to talk to. Remember the adage... "A fool and his money are soon parted."

my husband and i just returned from a five day trip to branson. i got tickets for shows there that would have been at least 500.00 for 159.00 through save on branson and branson tourism sites. the catch for the save on branson site we had to go to the presentation for forever vacations. we went on our last day there and they really make it sound very good and the NO both of us were practicing before was becoming ummmm. the lady that gave the presentation was supposed to be a retired teacher, who also supposedly was a member herself. there were supposed to be different levels to choose from but, the 10.000 one was the one they pushed and no talk about the other levels from the rep that we had after the presentation, even when i asked about the other levels and the pricing. when we were not going to purchase anything he lowered the price twice and gave us no money down for six months, but it still would come to 10, 000. if we had that type of money to throw around what would we need them for? i have read the complaints about the company and owner but, i think instead of being mad with them and wanting them to be in jail and the company shut down, it should be the community of branson that should be held accountable. people can not buy discount tickets without a catch, or if we do the place that we bought them from wants us to sit through a presentation and will supposedly give 125.00 dollars for doing it (branson tourism). it is a shame that such a wonderful place to visit is allowing this to happen with the people that come to visit their beautiful town. it makes me wonderful if the shows and lodging places get a kick back from this. this is the second time we went to branson and we have had to sit through a presentation to get the discount and went through a hard sales job. what would branson be without the tourist? it just seems that the powers that be and the people of branson feel its okay to have persons there that are scamming the many people that come from near and far to visit there beautiful town. i wonder too how it can be said the veterans are being honored if there are people that are trying to take their money by having them sit through a presentation to get tickets for a discount price and pay even more money for those tickets if they believe the presentation or fall for the hard sells pitch. it puts some mud in the communities face. if you are going to sell discount tickets then do so, no strings attached.

My sister and I visited Branson, MO 2 years ago. She was able to get "cheap tickets" from someone when she called. The catch of course was we would have to sit through a presentation. She had recently lost her husband and was still very emotional. The presentation was Forever Grand Vacation presented by a woman who stated she had this and was going to "gift" it to her 6 children when she died. There was such high pressure with this company. We had people calling our room multiple times, wanting to come there to talk to us, even though the scheduled presentation was scheduled and we HAD to go to it, the guy kept calling and calling. My sister was so distraught and cried and cried. She has two timeshares and of course they wanted her to get rid of them and just go with them. They started at the price of $10, 000.00 dollars, she said she wasn't doing it, then it was $7500.00, she still said no and they sent us to other people. Finally they said if we each bought one, they would do it for $5, 000.00 with the $199.00 maintenance feel every year. After tears and agony from each of us we were pressured into purchasing this. What a joke and a nightmare. It is useless! You can go straight to where you want to go and book through the hotel or cruise line and get better prices then they "guaranteed". As a single woman they told me I could cruise without paying for both beds. That's a lie! Like you all mentioned in the above reviews, you call, no one answers or they don't call yu back. I love Branson and I just can't believe they allow a company like this to be any part of them. We were just back to Branson again in September, booked through her timeshare, but before we left we had to attend another presentation because she had purchased reduced tickets. We were told if we did not attend, they would go back into our accounts and charge us the regular cost of the tickets. We did some research while there and found out how we can pruchase our own tickets, get better seats and better prices then through them. We were told by a very reliable source while we were there that this is a scam company and many, many people are upset about them. I intend to call contact The Better Business Bureau out there and file a complaint. This should NOT be happening to retired adults who have worked years for the money they had in honest professions. I'm still really upset and so is my sister. We do not have this kind of money to throw around. Very disturbed by the promises we were given that are just wrong and lies. Folks beware. It's not true! Run as fast as you can away from them. Pay regular price tickets if you have to, it's certainly cheaper then getting roped into this!.