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In February 2009 Paul Damiano at United Housing Relief (UHR) responded to my on-line request for information concerning mortgage loan modification. He said that UHR could work with my mortgage company and secure a modified mortgage (after saying that I pre-qualified based on my financial information that we went over on the telephone in that initial conversation). He said they by-pass the Servicer, and go directly to the investor and that their services were money back guaranteed if they were unable to successfully secure a fixed rate, lower monthly payment mortgage that would, of course, be in my benefit.

He said this would cost me $1, 595. I paid this in 2 payments. Needless to say, they were not able to work anything out. Once this was clear, after confirming with my mortgage company, I contacted UHR several times via email and telephone and they do not respond.

I would not recommend anyone using this company as I have heard from at least 2 other people who have tried working with them that they have had the same experience with them. They are scam artists.

Update by Fhall
Jun 29, 2009 12:03 pm EDT

ALLANnWAYNE - I am the person who began with the initial complaint about UHR. UHR was not able to secure a modification for me. This fact was confirmed with my mortgage servicer. I was pre-qualified by P. Damiano. I made sure they received my information in a timely manner. I made sure the lines of communication were open because I was the one who kept them open. I was the one who contacted Tina via email and telephone to let them know when I would be out of the office and they could contact me at my home number. I was the one who contacted them when too much time had passed and I felt that it would be good to have an update. Eventually I would hear from UHR, but I was the one who initiated the contact.

At this point, my papers can not be resubmitted, because I filed Chapter 13 to save my property because the servicer was moving forward with foreclosure plans. I am due a full refund of $1, 595. I could not care less who is responsible for what at UHR. The Florida BBB/Southeast Region list Wayne Kriesberg as the owner of UHR. If, as you say in one of the previous posts, UHR had hundreds of satisfied clients, then there should be money available to refund the few of us who are overdue.

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Update by Fhall
Jun 30, 2009 3:56 pm EDT

These guys need to be in the cell next to Madoff! They use the same principle--take from people--use to support their lifestyle--leave you high and dry.

Update by Fhall
Jul 15, 2009 10:54 am EDT

My heart and prayers go out to you Momzor. I feel like you do--a certified check in the mail would stop me. So since it looks like that is not going to happen, I am moving along with filing my complaints with the proper authorities.

I wonder if Wayne and the others have lost their homes and/or jobs the way many others have. I wonder if they have consciences that make them think about how people trusted them with their most valuable asset--their homes--and how UHR knowingly scammed people and in many cases took them from being late to Chapter 13 or foreclosure and displacement of families. Do they realize or even care that they are part of the problem instead being part of the solution?

They better make sure they wear the best fire repellant outfits at the Time of Reckoning because right now they are headed to Hell with gasoline drawers on.

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Michael.C
Ashland, US
Jul 03, 2009 9:57 am EDT

Funny if these guys had nothing to do with it why would they have this info.

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MomZor
Temecula, US
Jul 03, 2009 8:11 pm EDT

How dare you threaten to post personal confidential information on the internet of your employees and clients.

"THE NEXT TIME WE POST SOMETHING ON HERE IT MAY HAVE SOMEONES NAME...NUMBER...ADDRESS...DOB...AND SS#...THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE POSTING ALSO FILLED OUT APPLICATIONS WITH ALL OF THAT PERSONAL INFORMATION ON IT"

I think it is time that the Attorney General of California and Florida get more involved. Also the local police. This is a terrorist threat.

All I did was trust your company to help me save my home after my son died, an "Army - Hero", and this is what I get for my $2, 495.00 nothing to help me save my home, but my husbands and my personal information posted on the internet.

That is criminal. Shame on you Allan and Wayne, I bet your mothers are proud of the men you became.

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ALLAN WAYNE
US
Jul 03, 2009 9:33 pm EDT

MOMZOR...YOU ARE COMPLETELY MISINFORMED...READ THE POST...IT WAS FOR EX-EMPLOYEES ONLY...NOTHING TO DO WITH CLIENTS...SO I GUESS IT WAS ALSO CRIMINAL FOR THE PERSON WHO POSTED PERSONAL INFOMATION ON PEOPLES FAMILYS WHO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH A DAMN LOAN MODIFICATION. THANK YOU FOR LETING ME KNOW THAT. I WILL ALSO BE INFORMING THE POLICE AND I WILL HAVE MY ATTORNEY SOPENA THE IP ADDRESS AND RECORDS OF COMPLAINTBOARD.COM. SO WE CAN GET THE CULPRITS. YOU ARE ABSOLUTLY RIGHT, WE WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS TOGETHER. THANK YOU.

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Dancie
Baltimore, US
Jul 03, 2009 9:36 pm EDT

I have paid this company 1700.00. I started with Richard, then he "left" and I was working wth only Tina, then someone named Tony started calling me but only to take the payments. Then I was told Tina was no longer with the company and was working with Ashley. Then Ashley was out with sick kids and never came back and I started with Christie. Christie called me over a week ago and said that their phone service had to be changed and she would call me back in a couple of days and give me the new number. Surprise ! Surprise ! no one has called me back and now it is a non working number. I called the number on this sight for Wayne by the way and a Wayne answers the phone but claims to have never heard of UHR. . Although I wasnt always happy with the job they were doing I really did believe they were helping. They did accomplish things with the mortgage company that I wasnt able to. If you are serious about helping my name is Dancie Roush my number is [protected].

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ALLAN WAYNE
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Jul 03, 2009 9:52 pm EDT

DANCIE---THIS IS KRISTI...WE ARE ABSOLUTLY GOING TO HELP YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING A COMPLETLY HONEST AND NORMAL PERSON. THAT IS A BREATH OF FRESH AIR ON HERE (MOMZOR). I WILL CALL YOU NO LATER THE NOON ON MONDAY. THE PHONES WENT DOWN BECUASE THERE WAS NO MONEY TO PAY THE PHONE BILL LAST WEEK BUT WE ARE STILL FINISHING THE FILES AND WE HAVE A NEW NUMBER AS OF TODAY. I APPOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVIENCE. YOU WILL BE HELPED...AGAIN...THANK YOU FOR YOUR POSTING, AND BEING A REASONABLE PERSON!

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TiffanyRyan1234
US
Jul 04, 2009 10:55 am EDT

Kristi,
So your referring to Momzor as not being honest or a normal person? A lady that has had her son in the Army pass away and than days after your company was paid 2500$ to complete a service and 7 months later your still twiddling your thumbs and have done nothing for her? But shes not a normal person? That makes alot of sense and just shows the type of idiotic and selfish person that UHR has workng for them on the remaining files. Luckily I ended up saving my home my self after I realised I was taken by your scam. But honestly I would feel very confident if I had Uhr and Kristi (a very intellegent and kind girl) working on saving my home.) It's really going to be a BREATH OF FRESH AIR when I log on to this site in a few months and see everyone at uhr's mug shots posted on here including the intellegent kristi and the completely innocent and unbeknowing Kristi...and Wayne you've been paying her the 70, 000 in salary? I hope not you would probably get more accomplished paying a monkey to "work" on the remaining files. .. Have a happy 4th and everyone that's waiting on a mod just take your fee you paid uhr as a loss and call your lender your self to try and get the mod completed.

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Ilovesports
Coral Springs, US
Jul 09, 2009 8:50 pm EDT

Dancie, was your situation ever resolved? Just curious if Wayne came thru and made things right as he said he would. If I had to guess, you are still $1, 700 light in the purse.

Anybody else made good by Wayne? If I had to guess, zero successful loans mods but lots of checks cashed.

That was an interesting list of previous and current businesses...title company...lead company...mortgage company...loan mod company. All fine upstanding businesses. Let's see following the current trend, what business could be next for Wayne...shall we all take guesses?

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Ilovesports
Coral Springs, US
Jul 09, 2009 9:50 pm EDT

momzor wrote: All I did was trust your company to help me save my home after my son died, an "Army - Hero", and this is what I get for my $2, 495.00 nothing to help me save my home, but my husbands and my personal information posted on the internet.

That is criminal. Shame on you Allan and Wayne, I bet your mothers are proud of the men you became.

Well Momzor, if you (or anybody else) would like to ask Kenneth and Sherri (Wayne's parents) how they feel about the man that they raised, you can contact them at their home, [protected].

I am sure they probably cold called most of you so don't feel weird about cold calling his parents. What the heck, he has disrupted our lives, let's disrupt his.

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Waynes Bodyguard
US
Jul 10, 2009 10:20 am EDT

Wow all I know if wayne finds out who is writing this ### there gonna be some dangerous people looking for them.

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Ilovesports
Coral Springs, US
Jul 10, 2009 1:23 pm EDT

Momzor is sleeping with the fishes? Is that why she hasn't responded? OMG!

Seriously though, he has taken my and many others money in a time when our lives are already in shambles. Meanwhile a quick check of Broward County public records will reveal he has a mansion in Parkland Florida.

I have no home, I lost my job with GM after 20 years, my wife is terminally ill and I can't even the imagine the stress on my kids. What more could possibly happen to me? What do I need to be worried about? That Wayne may get his feelings hurt? He may send people looking for me? Please, thats laughable.

Not to say he isn't capable, afterall, we aren't dealing with a man of high morals as it is, but with everything that has happened to me and my family over the last 2 years, there is nothing left. My family and I are financially, physically and emotional spent. So if Wayne feels the need to start the scare tactics, as thugs normally do, he is free to do so.

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MomZor
Temecula, US
Jul 13, 2009 6:39 pm EDT

I have been dealing with my emotions. My son that died in the Army was born on the 4th of July, with his birthday passing, it was like hearing all over again that he was dead. Just really trying to get through the grief.

Thankfully I am not sleeping with the fish. Thanks for noticing that I was not on here for a while.

I received communication from the Attorney General Economic Crimes Division Randi Shapiro. They are starting their investigation. I still have to notify California's Attorney General, I guess it is illegal here in this state to ask for money for a mod before the work is done.

This is a big criminal thing that has been done. All I wanted was my money back. A certified check in the mail would stop me.

However the treat was to clients posting on this site, it clearly said "THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE POSTING ALSO FILLED OUT APPLICATIONS WITH ALL OF THAT PERSONAL INFORMATION ON IT" I filled out an application and gave all that information to them. Thankfully this threat is in writing on this site and that is a good thing as it will help to prove my case in this criminal matter.

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Ripped Off vc
US
Jul 14, 2009 10:39 am EDT

I too have just did a complaint with the BBB. I am very dissatisfied with this company! Every complaint listed is the difficulties I had with this company also. I am inquiring about an Class Action Lawsuit and will post information as soon as I have all details. I can't believe that this people (UHR) would respond to the complaints in such an unprofessional manner. I also believe what goes around comes around! They are prying on the less fortunate and ripping them off for their money without rendering services promised!

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MomZor
Temecula, US
Jul 15, 2009 11:33 am EDT

Thank you Fhall, I do appreciate your condolences.

Ripped Off vc and Fhall, here's my phone # [protected] so that you can keep me up to date on what is going on or if you get a class action going, I would love to help you with all of it.

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Ilovesports
Coral Springs, US
Jul 15, 2009 2:27 pm EDT

Wayne should move into the courthouse, he is going to be spending a lot of time there. Wayne can't hide from google!

He is currenly being sued for copyright infringement by AAA (because he decided to borrow their name to sell extended car warrantees) and also being sued for $80, 000+ for non-payment by the extended car warrantee wholesaler he was doing business with.

Best part of these lawsuits is it names his mom as defendants in both cases. So which is it, was his mom in on this scam too or was he tring to use her name to sheild himself from prosecution, which if the case, didn't work too well.

Interesting article in the newspaper http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/sfl-mortgage-rescue-071409, 0, 4584217.story

interesting reading, along with information on who we need to call to report the mess we are in

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rdh1959
Montgomery, US
Jul 15, 2009 3:22 pm EDT

I also signed up with UHR in Feb. I had checked them out with the BBB got good feedback. I called a couple of referances also got good feedback. I then decided to do buisness with UHR. I recieved a call from them last month telling me they where having phone problems and someone would be contacting me when they got the phones fixed. I'm still waiting for that return phone call. If they are trying to help, then they need to contact me.

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Ilovesports
Coral Springs, US
Jul 15, 2009 3:30 pm EDT

I think you will be waiting a long time for that return phone call. Their office is cleared out and the phones are turned off. None of us have gotten out 'promised' phone call (nor a check) back either. Join the fight! If enough of us call the Florida Attorney General regarding Wayne Kreisberg and UHR they are bound to start to listen sooner or later! Attonery General's Office # [protected], floridalegal.com

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Ilovesports
Coral Springs, US
Jul 15, 2009 3:36 pm EDT

MomZor, I am sorry for your loss. Your son is a hero and all of us owe him and you a great deal of thanks. God Bless.

I hope you find resolution with this soon so that you have one less thing on your plate.

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Ihatesports
US
Jul 15, 2009 8:55 pm EDT

sorry I love you sports and momozoro but wayne Kriesberg has one of the best attorneys in florida. Good luck putting that jew in jail.He will get it out of it. Trust me on that.

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Ilovesports
Coral Springs, US
Jul 15, 2009 9:59 pm EDT

I am sure Madoff had some pretty decent attorneys also. Eventually you run out of luck and everything catches up with you.

I don't even know the number, but it would have to be in the hundreds if not thousands of people Wayne has screwed between his mortgage companies, title companies, loan mod companies and car warrantee companies.

You piss off that many people and eventually things catch up to you. Mind you, I am not condoning violence, but some of us will fight on a little longer than others to see that justice is served. At this point, a simple returned check for the money I paid him will not make me happy. I think I deserve a little additional for the months of frustration.

If nothing else, having one of the best attoneys isnt cheap, so at least we are costing him some of the free money he got anyway.

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Ilovesports
Coral Springs, US
Jul 15, 2009 10:01 pm EDT

Ihatesports, whats your relation to this whole situation anyway?

You don't seem to be a prior customer...you seem to know wayne...friend or foe Ihatesports?

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Ilovesports
Coral Springs, US
Jul 15, 2009 10:23 pm EDT

earlier cases = civil
current cases = civil
future cases = criminal (mortgage fraud)

it's the criminal stuff I am interested in. no more judgements from chase or wells fargo, or the future judgements from AAA and N.C.W.C.

If enough of us call the attorney general and even the newspapers and get enough attention on this he will feel more than just cash leaving him, he will see his freedom leaving him also.

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Ihatesports
US
Jul 15, 2009 10:29 pm EDT

Wayne didnt even make any money. The money that he bucked from everyone he had to pay out in rent and that stupid ### kristie. He ended up ###ing himself over. Madoff stole a billion dollars. wayne just took some of the pie. Trust me Wayne is not stupid he will pay the people off once he gets a letter from the ftc and he is forced to return the money. Everyone relax there gonna pay everybody back or there gonna do your loan modification for free.

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Ilovesports
Coral Springs, US
Jul 16, 2009 7:14 am EDT

exactly, Madoff stole BILLIONS and he is in jail right now. The point I was making was in response to your comment about Wayne having the best attorny in florida, sometimes even billions cant get you an attorney good enough if the trouble you are in is that big.

relax? tha's funny. read some of his responses just in this thread alone. he has attacked half the people that have posted.

He will pay people when he gets a letter from the FTC? Why do we have to wait until he gets a letter? We have bills due now! we have families that need to eat now!

RDH1959 posted yesterday that he still hasn't received a phone call. None of us have gotten any kind of updates. You mean to tell me that his office phone, his home phone and his home phones are all having technical difficulties to the point he can't let people that trusted him and gave him thousands of dollars each a simple phone call to let them know what is going on?

Wayne is off and running with our money. He has quite a few judgements out there for a lot more money than what we are asking for. I doubt any letter from the FTC is going to have him writing us checks.

again, what is your relatioship in this whole situation? you are former employee? a friend to wayne? a former friend to wayne?

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Ilovesports
Coral Springs, US
Jul 16, 2009 7:15 am EDT

oh, i forgot to ask, why do you hate sports anyway?

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jev
Santa Fe Springs, US
Jul 21, 2009 10:21 pm EDT

I had the same thing happened to me I paid him $1995.00 he told me that they had an attorney by the name of Daniel H Fox who would take care of it. He did nothing for me. I file a complaint with the attorney general against Damiano and Fox and if you have also been a victim too file one. The more complaints they get the better it will be to file charges against him. jev

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MomZor
Temecula, US
Jul 23, 2009 9:19 pm EDT

Hello everyone,

Sorry for not staying in touch, my mother's breast cancer took a huge turn to the left and in all over her brain. She is now with Hospice and we are just waiting for her last breath. Just wanted you all to know I am not done with this, just have to get through the next few days/weeks ? ? ?
2009 SUCKS ! ! !
1) Buried my son,
2) UHR stole $2, 495.00 from me so now I am losing my home,
3) Getting ready to bury my mom.

Could someone tell Murphy to get off my back ? ? ?

I will be able to take all my anger for injustice out on UHR once my mom is laid to rest.

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MomZor
Temecula, US
Jul 23, 2009 9:22 pm EDT

Ilovesports,
Thank you for your comments about my son. You are right he is a hero, and he fought for the rights of all including these jerks that certainly do not deserve their freedom. We will see if the courts find them worthy of the freedom that the military men and women are sacrificing their lives for.

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blessed mom of 3`
Greeneville, US
Jul 24, 2009 7:30 pm EDT

Hello, my name is Karen and have also been sucked into this battle. I was cold called by John Avito, then after being pre-approved I did also send in 1595.00. I received I know of 2 calls fromTina, who was very disrespectful to me. My husband and I questioned their credit worthyness and she did do a 3 way call with myself and my lender. So naturally I felt little more confident. Then a few weeks go by and we call and where once a person answered the phone it was a recording. So ok, it's the day before good friday and we call and leave a message that if someone doesn't call us we are filling a complaint with BBS. Well John calls us right away. Then we get christie. She explains that Tina left the company and left them in a mess and she was trying to clean it up. That we had received loan mod documents from our lender and we needed to send them to her like NOW> So we did and have never heard anything from her since. Going on 2 months. We tried calling and then only got a ringing phone, not even a recording. I tried to call today and got "this is no longer a working number" I have kept every shred of paperwork and everything I had concerning this. I also pulled up the BBS site before dealing with this co, had a good feeling. I questioned John about the B rating also and he told me it was because of guy who complained but he was refunded his money but because a complaint was filled, it gave them a B. I have now dealt with both of my lenders. I have a 1st and 2 nd mort which they said they would cut in half. I am in really bad financial situation and this just really pulled the rug out from under me. I have a handicap child and 2 other children and this was an extreme amount of money for my family. I am a christian and will refrain from harsh words and just pray for these people. If a class action suit is to be done, please please please contact me. I will keep this site as one of my favs so I can montior. I am fearful to put my personal info on here with good reason., I have already been ripped off I don't need anything else. I do know this coming week we will file a complaint at the attorney general's office. If infact this man Wayne was an investor and living in a big house, feel the pain and come down where we are and live in a 1 bedroom apartment, sell your house and pay us back something. We gave in good trust, you can pay back in good trust. Karen

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Helene Gass
Fort Wayne, US
Jul 27, 2009 4:03 pm EDT

Back in February 2009 I filled out an online app for a laon modicaification. I was contacted by a guy named PAUL DAMIAMO who said that I would quitifly. Then I was sent via email papers to down load and fill out and then I was told in order to start this process I needed to sent them $1, 200.00 via fax, I did that but never heard anything else. I have tried to call the number but it has been disconnected. I would like all those that have been wronged by this company to email me. I am going to try to get me hard earned money back and file a CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT against them, but, I need your help. My email address is h_m_g1@yahoo.com

Helene Gass

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karmasucks
Coral Springs, US
Jul 28, 2009 11:34 pm EDT

Mr. Kreisberg will never learn from his mistake's, he will continue his path of wrath until he has drained every last resource and destroyed every relationship both professional and personal in his life.

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Ilovesports
Coral Springs, US
Aug 03, 2009 10:42 am EDT

blessed mom of 3 (Karen), maybe Wayne could let you and the kids crash at his place

http://bcpa.net/RecInfo.asp?URL_Folio=474132022920

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7768-NW-112th-Way-Parkland-FL-33076/72180574_zpid/

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UnitedHousing
US
Aug 03, 2009 4:05 pm EDT

The phone number for the office for REAL clients is [protected]. Anyone who had trouble contact UHR should call at that number. We are working on every file and have not taken a new file in almost 5 months. If you have any questions call that number.

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UnitedHousing
US
Aug 03, 2009 4:28 pm EDT

I love sports...We know you are not a client. We have someone verifying ip addresses from where the posts were sent from and we will have that information this week. When we find out who you are it will be ten times worse...We sugguest you remove the posts on your own free will of peoples personal information. We really do not care whatever else you post on there but the personal info needs to be removed before its too late. You are warned!

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Ilovesports
Coral Springs, US
Aug 05, 2009 2:04 pm EDT

I have been warned. Thank you. Once you have my information, which, for the record, is probably still sitting in the abandoned office in Coral Springs, what will you do with it? Hopefully more than what you did with it the first time which was absolutely nothing. At least this time I won't have to pay anything.

Please don't say I am not a client when it is apparent that you don't know who I am. My house is gone and you are not making good on your refund policy, with those 2 options gone what am I to do?

I think we are at an impasse. We both don't like comments that both of us have typed yet I don't see any option on Complaints Board to edit them.

So I will make this deal with you, you stop attacking former clients and start providing actual help on this forum and I will agree to stop posting Public Record information about you (which anybody that is able to type your name into google can get which I did).

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United Housing
US
Aug 05, 2009 2:29 pm EDT

To remove postings, which I have done already...you contact the editor...paste the posting that needs to removed as well as the url. We are providing help to all of the clients that are allowing us to do so. I can post a list of happy clients with sucessful loan mods which will be a hell of a lot longer list than those on this message board who are unhappy with our service. And like I said before, we will re do every loan mod for free for people who were not happy with the first try. I really do not know what else I can do. At this point, I am not making a deal with you, you remove your posts and that will be then end of this issue, if you are a client and want us to try and help you with your modification, than we can do that as well.

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Ahall
Hyattsville, US
Aug 06, 2009 5:24 pm EDT
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I called yesterday and spoke with Jennifer. I told her that I had to declare bankruptcy to save my home because UHR could not work out modification term with my mortgage compoany and I wanted to know when I could expect a refund. She took my number and said she would pull my file and call me back yesterday. I am writing this because I have not heard from her. Why?

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Concerned_Consumer
Delray Beach, US
Sep 19, 2009 6:08 am EDT

I am not a client or ex employee of these people but I worked in an office that was in the same complex as them for 4 years. At the time I was there they were a company that got mortgages for people. They were involved in getting all of those adjustable rate loans that screwed so many people. Since I have not worked there in a while it appears they changed their tactics and now want to screw the same people they screwed the first time with crappy loans and take a second helping to "fix" the bad loans they sold them in the first place. All of the people in that office were shady individuals and I can remember numerous times while taking a smoke break over hearing them talk about how they had landed more deals that they new were illegal and faked income or other items to qualify them for a loan. They were more interested on planning their next night out or how to scam more people to pay for their $80, 000 dollar cars they were driving. After reading the responses from the company on this site you would have to be crazy to do business with them. No reputable company would ever post replies as they have.

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acasbeer103065
Leesburg, US
Sep 24, 2009 1:39 pm EDT

I too was scammed for $3000! Has anyone had any luck in getting their money back? I would love to know how I can do that. Please respond to acasbeer@aol.com

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m.manningham
US
Sep 24, 2009 1:59 pm EDT

Correction for concerned consumer...They drive 100, 000$ cars not 80.

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cali dreaming ha!
US
Nov 04, 2009 3:05 pm EST

I realize that I am late to this discussion. My husband and I were also scammed by Paul, DaniAnn and Tina. Same tactics, I won't bore you with details but we are out 2 grand +, we have asked for our money back and so far no check. It scares me to think where all of that personal info ended up that everyone sent in, in an abandon office or in the car of Paul and /or Tina? Not that it matters because our credit is trashed anyway due to the house. UHR actually told us NOT to call Countrywide/BofA because it would lenghten the process. When I did call, they had never heard of UHR. We wasted three months of valuable time thinking they were working on our modification, when in reality they were doing nothing. I have now been trying to do it on my own and it is a painful and confusing process, the reason we needed help in the first place! Try working 60+ hour weeks and trying to make phone calls to the lender while doing a good job so you don't lose it. Not easy.
Has anyone had any success with the attorney general or PD?