Mormon church review: Harassment 175

Every finger in the room
Is pointing at me
I wanna spit in their faces
Then I get afraid of what that could bring
I got a bowling ball in my stomach
I got a desert in my mouth
Figures that my courage would choose to sell our now
I've been looking for a savior in these dirty streets
Looking for a savior beneath these dirty sheets
I've been raising up my hands
Drive another nail in
Just what God needs
One more victim

[Chorus:]
Why do we
Crucify ourselves
Every day
I crucify myself
Nothing I do is good enough for you
Crucify myself
Every day
And my heart is sick of being in chains

Got a kick for a dog
Beggin' for Love
I gotta have my suffering
So that I can have my cross
I know a cat named Easter
He says will you ever learn
You're just an empty cage girl
If you kill the bird
I've been looking for a savior in these dirty streets
Looking for a savior beneath these dirty sheets
I've been raising up my hands
Drive another nail in
Got enough guilt to start
My own religion
Please be
Save me
I cry

[Chorus:]
Why do we
Crucify ourselves
Every day
I crucify myself
Nothing I do is good enough for you
Crucify myself
Every day
And my heart is sick of being in chains

Hey Brenda, over the last couple months we have not heard from SweetSag12 who started this Mormon thread. I wonder if she was able to stop the harassment from those cult members?

This one is for you D-Bag:

Killing in the name of!
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Huh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
But now you do what they told ya
Well now you do what they told ya

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites

Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Uggh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control (7 times)
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya!

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Come on!

Yeah! Come on!

### you, I won't do what you tell me
### you, I won't do what you tell me
### you, I won't do what you tell me
### you, I won't do what you tell me
### you, I won't do what you tell me
### you, I won't do what you tell me
### you, I won't do what you tell me
### you, I won't do what you tell me
### you, I won't do what you tell me!
### you, I won't do what you tell me!
### you, I won't do what you tell me!
### you, I won't do what you tell me!
### you, I won't do what you tell me!
### you, I won't do what you tell me!
### you, I won't do what you tell me!
### you, I won't do what you tell me!
Mother###er!
Uggh!

Thanks for noticing Xeno! So glad you can chime in with yet another inane and incredibly unoriginal comment! There appears to be hope for this discussion yet!

true, and I apologize both for my earlier comment towards you Xeno and my lack of originality as of late... it's just that people like D-bag here tends to bring out the worst in me.

I don't judge anyone for their particular beliefs. ### it, no one is perfect and God knows I certainly fall in that category and to read some horse ### that basically states" Im right and your going to hell" just reminds me of the narrow minded B.S that is messing up the society in general...

Lottos never require you to pay anything to them...

Xeno; Don't you start. FYI: I am NOT pentecostal! Also, Christians are not "on a road to salvation". IF you are a Christian, you are already saved, not "on your way"! Third, I am not attempting to force anything on anyone, nor am I passing judgement. Every thing I've stated is in the scriptures. As for certain individuals in this thread, no judgement is required to tell that someone is unrepentant (unsaved). By their filthy language for example.

My denomination is not the issue here. I could be Baptist, Church of Christ, Assemblies of God, Methodist or any one of several other denominations. As for Martin Luther, I've never read or heard any such thing. Concerning S.O.L., you are unaware that he pm'd me. He used so much filthy language I refused to acknowledge him with a reply. I'm sure you (& he) know that those filthy dirty 3, 4, 5, 6, & 7 letter words are total DISRESPECT to believers as well as their faith. He obviously didn't care. And you ask me to give him respect? One has to give respect to get respect!

I don't know any cuss words that have that my letters. But I DO know that he seems to be in love with one 4 letter work that starts with F.

OOPS! I mean 4 letter word.

I have never read the book of mormon & I have no intentions of ever doing so! Of course you didn't get the private message (pm), he sent it directly to me. Perhaps Luther wrote those documents BEFORE he became a Christian.

JDH55; I didn't cuss & swear at you did I? Of course not, I hoped to help open your eyes. And Hell is the place all the unrepentant go!
Xeno, I don't know what comments you refer to. Refresh my memory please.

I was speaking spiritually, not of your earthly human father. You see, everyone belongs to God when they repent & accept Jesus Christ as their own Lord & Savior OR they belong to the devil (satan) if they refuse to repent. Here is what Jesus said to some jewish leaders: John 8:43; "Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say".
John 8:44; You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your fathers desire...".

For the most part "typical" christians are an alright bunch of folks...they pray, they live their lives and and hope for and actively promote the betterment of mankind, and although my beliefs don't quite jibe with theirs, I believe for the most part the world is a better place because of their activity.

Then there are people like D(ouche) B(ag) here. This guy not only stands up here and pounds the pulpit for pennies, but then has the outright NERVE to pass judgment on people with spite and vitriol that rivals some of the false prophets of the last one hundred years or so. Close minded ignorance is the true evil in this world. And to see it printed on a web site (or anywhere for that matter) just rubs me the wrong way. So again, I apologize for being an ### yesterday Xeno, and as of this moment, I'm going to go back and mess with my other favorite target(here I come Louie!) and not pay any more attention to this third rate Jim Jones/David Koresh wannabe any more.

~E~

In the town where I was born
Lived a man who sailed to sea
And he told us of his life
In the land of submarines

So we sailed on to the sun
Till we found a sea of green
And we lived beneath the waves
In our yellow submarine

We all live in a yellow submarine
Yellow submarine, yellow submarine
We all live in a yellow submarine
Yellow submarine, yellow submarine

And our friends are all aboard
Many more of them live next door
And the band begins to play

We all live in a yellow submarine
Yellow submarine, yellow submarine
We all live in a yellow submarine
Yellow submarine, yellow submarine

{Full speed ahead Mr. Boatswain, full speed ahead
{ From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/b/beatles-lyrics/yellow-submarine-lyrics.html }
Full speed ahead it is, Sgt.
Cut the cable, drop the cable
Aye, aye, Sir, aye, aye
Captain, captain}

As we live a life of ease
Every one of us has all we need
(One of us, has all we need)
Sky of blue and sea of green
(Sky of blue, sea of green)
In our yellow submarine
(In our yellow, submarine, aha)

We all live in a yellow submarine
A yellow submarine, yellow submarine
We all live in a yellow submarine
A yellow submarine, yellow submarine

We all live in a yellow submarine
Yellow submarine, yellow submarine
We all live in a yellow submarine
Yellow submarine, yellow submarine

Ok ok it's not as good as *Brenda*'s choice of song but I think it works here...

Wow. Where to start? Ok...the chick who wrote the complaint should have done some research on the church and their recruiting practices. It's not like it's a secret. But the fact that tells me she just used them without being mindful of the consequences was her saying how she attended services. You made all the right moves so that the church would infer from your actions that you had intentions of becoming a member once your personal situation became less chaotic. From what I have witnessed personally, Mormons have a strong sense of community, so they are willing to help whenever they see the opportunity. You cannot go to services and prayer groups, doing everything except commiting and fully joining, then accept their help to get you out of a desperate situation. Then once you are relocated and starting to get settled in, continuing to participate at the church all the while, you start withdrawing because they are pressing you into officially joining. Your actions say "Well thanks for the help suckers." People who attend several services of a church and accept help in that large of a degree would be expected to join. So...you acted like a ### and since Mormons don't get the messege that way, your online looking for sympathy. Also, about the whole God Jesus thing...are you guys bored or just ###ed? Since all religious texts say in one way or another that NO MAN KNOWS GOD'S PLANS, I don't understand why people argue over something so asinine. Since we all can agree that God haas a plan for eveything and everyone, how is anybody confident enough in their own faith to belittle another's beliefs? The FINITE cannot comprehend the INFINITE. If God is all powerful, he can do anything that he want's, even the stuff that a person doesn't agree with. Why can't God be Buddha or Krishna? Wouldn't He make His lesson's known to man without infringing on his free will to live in the culture of their choosing? God isn't powerful enough to share his spirit with chosen people so they can show people not just in speech but in action that we are not alone? And what's all this about why doesn't God do anything about all the evil in the world? If got got rid of all the evil in the world, then there would probably be no people. Or way less than there are now, and faith would have no meaning anymore. In giving us free will, God basically handcuffed himself against taking direct actions either for or against humanity. Faith is what people need to be able to hear the messege inside their spirit and see the signs around them in the world and in other people, to let them know that there is a God. There is a higher power. It is very arrogant to assume that we know all. It is even more arrogant to assume that your faith, your beliefs are the only right ones. Because when we are honest with ourselves, most peoples beliefs are 3 quarters inherited from the culture they were raised in and 1 quarter influenced by life experiences. It's silly to hold yourself in high regard based on something with so many variables, something so fickle, as the teachings and beliefs of other humans.

I have never heard of a missionary forcing a person to say Joseph Smith is the prophet... they would NEVER force anyone to say that. It's sad that so many people will use the church and the people of the church and then say they are stalking or harassing them when they are simply trying to spread a message. Drugging the water? wow... paranoid are we? lol Tithing is something we all (we all meaning Christians) take part in... it's commanded in the Bible... you know, the book that you said we "plagerized" haha, regardless these people would still bend over backwards to HELP you even while badmouthing them. Try to think of that while judging and condemning them...

http://www.christianpolygamy.com/

Are these folks Mormon wanta be's?

my cuz joined a church group, they appeared normal and like every other church group but once she was in it the brainwashed her! they told her music was the devil, dancin was the devil nd friends nd family that werent apart of the church was u guessed it... the devil. there ARE bad churches out there, they told my cuz to [censored] and i say if this women got a wierd feelin shes smart to not stay... i wish Abby wuldve done the same *i love u cuz*

Well after reading every post on here...nobody has the right to judge another. I AM a CONVERT to the LDS! I was born and raised Catholic, I tried pentecostal, Lutheran, Baptist, Christian...The one thing that is the most important thing is EVERYONE believes that Jesus is the Christ! Thats ALL that matters! Everyone has their own beliefs and their own info they get their own experiances etc. We are ALL children of GOD! No matter the "religion!" We could be here all day arguing facts and false facts but the most important thing is we all belong here and have our purpose here on Earth! There is soooo many false facts about mormonizm as also with any other religion. I am sorry SweetSag 12 that you had such a terrible experiance...we are not all the same! I felt the same feeling when I first partook of the sacrament...and I still feel it evey time I take it...I believe it is the Holy Ghost! ( For ME it is anyways) it may be something completely different for you. However I hope in the future you will not judge anyone even after having a terrible experiance. WE ARE All CHILDREN OF GOD and we do make mistakes tooo! I hope you and your family are safe! God Bless you and your family!

Every Christian knows you are not suppose to judge others, "ye without sin shall cast the first stone"

Coming from someone who was raised mormon for thirteen years, and then broke off into athiesm. Mormons do have their ways of, I guess you can call it harassment. They do follow you to make sure that you are still active. The men, missionaries, are the ones who go to houses to pass the word, and the women stay in the church and teach to the children. I think your just being paranoid and rude towards people who were willing to help you. You used them and now your bad mouthing them.

First of all, if you thought the water was being drugged why didn't you go to the ER and have it checked out? I mean ###! You are being drugged and you don't take the time to go to the hospital to see if you're going to be OK. You know what I think? You're a mental case. No serioulsy. I bet you have bi-polar disorder or pschiztophrenia. This must be it. You imagine you are being drugged. Members of this church want to hear you say that this Smith guy is a prophet and they won't leave you alone because they care so much about you believing that Smith is a prophet of God. Don't flatter yourself. No one gives a ###. If you must know I am not a Mormon, but I have a PHD in theology and sarcasm. Honestly, are you on some kind of anti-depressent, Halidol, Seroquel or someother mind controlling drug because you are damned paranoid. Let analyize your far-fetched tirade. A) You say, "help me to relocate to another county because of an ex's abuse toward me and my children." Ok this in itself would be OK, but it is followed by so much ###. You blame everyone for your problems. It's ok you psycho, most mentally ill people do. B) Your next ###ic statement, "it had something in the water they were giving out because it felt as though it like a tranquilizer of drug of some sort." Now a logical thinking human being is obvisoulsy going deduce, as a result of you paranoid delusions, that you downed 30 mg of xanax right before communion. C) Now you state incorrect information, "They are wolves in sheep's clothing and just want members to give up money from their paychecks to support what ever purpose they want it for, " and continue to make a complete ### out of yourself. The members of the LDS church pay tithings because that is what real christians do you mess of a human being. Maybe you should read the old testament. No actually if you did that I'm sure Moses would jump out of the bible and harass you. Oh I want to belittle you so much more, but I will finish with your last ###ic statement, "Plagerism is against the Law, you cannot use someone else's idea for your own..." Let me ask you something. Do you think plagerism was a law in the 1800's you dim witted ###? No, I don't think so. And if it was, what about all the other scrolls and ancient documents? The bible was copied from these documents and even manipulated to fit Constantine's whims for gain. I guess the old and new testament are just works of plagerism and lies. In conclusion, YOU ARE A ###ING PSYCHO. NOTICE HOW YOU BLAME EVERYONE FOR YOUR MISTAKES. I am sure your husband is a much happier man without all of your fantastical ###. And I must say that is the reality of it. You live in a paranoid-dellusional fantasy, so have fun with it. BTW, watch out for the aliens and zombies. They are coming to eat your brains.

Very sad all this nonsense. She could have gone to the government and probably ended up with a lot free bees but know she went to the Morman Church sought help and got it for free, and IT WASN"T MY TAX DOLLARS that paid for it. Most people in this world
want something for nothing and we all pay for it.A very shame on you!

DB2010 - Your obviously a religous nut who had spirituallity help you at some point.
If your so for this, why can't you accept others beliefs. Your just as bad as the people your hating on.
I am open to all religions. I have my feelings against many of them, but its a free country [censored] and people can believe whatever the hell they want.
Me personally, I believe every word of that lady. Men are pervs. Religious nuts (and I mean only the nuts) are psycotic and will do anything to give their lives meaning.
Try watching the south park episode that dumbs the morman story down a bit. ITS A GOD DAMN SCAM TO BRING NIEVE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR MEANING IN THEIR LIVES TO FORK OVER THEIR CASH!

arnetus raymond : THAT IS 100% AWESOMELY CORRECT!

Thanks cookies 2! Anita for your info I am not a churchie.. I am a person! I dont appreciate your ignorance!

You are really a tool! Aside from the fact you should consider going to school to learn how to spell your story is full of it! I haven't been a practicing Mormon in many years, but that is not how the Church operates. They take your money so they don't have to work? Heads up. They don't get a dime from the Church and do what they do from there hearts! They relocated you and helped you and this is how you thank them? Bashing on them? Something in the water? Yeah. Chlorine. It's tap water your drinking! Why didn't you go to the Catholics, protestants, baptist, or Muslims to help you. Better yet. Social Services. Go to one of those half way houses and wait for housing. I couldn't care less about the Church, but pisses me off every time they help someone and people like you then talk crap!

I agree Rebecca c ! I was a convert I have been inactive for 2 years!

Wow! Great comeback! Another whose IQ is the equivalent of the Fecal coliform found in swamps.

To Julesandsquirt. I became inactive almost 2 decades ago. Born and raised in the Church. It was cool...good principals and family values, but was more fun to have a cocktail with my friends and husband which is a big no no lolol.

There is a lot of cyber bullying going on here. The original poster had a bad experience with Mormons. She's entitled to vent. I've also had bad experiences with them. I've also had bad experiences with members of other faiths. I choose not to bad mouth them. I will say that the best experiences I've had religiously are with members of the Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists. The JW's I've known have always been honest and respectful people. The Adventists have always been hard workers and very pleasant to talk with. I'd rather focus on the good experiences than the bad ones.

How does JerseyGuy46 KNOW that half the Mormans are pedophiles? That is like anyone saying that in the Catholic religion half the priests are sleeping with young boys. One thing is certain though. From reading the comments here, IGNORANCE KNOWS NO BOUNDS.
Now, before anyone says that I am a member of the LDS, I am NOT a member of any church. Do I believe? Yup, I do. BUT, I also believe that in this country EVERYONE has FREEDOM of RELIGION. Everyone has the right to worship, or not, as they please. Protestant, Catholic, Morman, Jew, Buddhist, Musslim, Jehovas Witness, Baptist, Methodist...WHATEVER...you're FREE to worship how YOU want.
It appears that SweetSag12 DID use the church to help her move. But if she felt so uncomfortable about the Mormans then why did she "check in" with the local Morman Church where she moved too? Things here just don't add up

I live in salt lake city, utah, home of the mormons, with my LDS sister and her husband and kids. I am not LDS, but obviously am around alot of them. For the most part they truly are kind and helpful, BUT yesterday my 20 year old nephew was talking on the phone to a friend about how all the mormon missionaries in Japan are safe (the earthquake and tsunamis just had taken quite a toll on Japan), but then felt he had to say "There has to be a reason Heavenly Father is punishing them", that is where I have a problem. They truly do think they're Gods' people, the "lost tribe" of Israel, I feel for Japan and it's people. I'm not going to turn on them because I believe it is Gods' will.

Bunch of tards up in here... This is on the order of listening to little kids fight over Pokemon.

Completely LAME post. Are you really suggesting that they put something in ONLY your water, because I am sure others would have stood up and said something if it really happened. It is sad that people have to attack other religions with crazy stuff like this, but I guess that freedom is one thing that makes this country great. Gotta take the good with the idiots...

We are to be concerned about everybody --- want the best for them. But everyone's religion is their own choice.
These days every denomination has been tainted by false leaders that have their own agendas that they work to bring about even through Washington. Every so often "Reformations" are needed. In Jesus' day it was some of the Pharisees-- not all. Today it is some of the Bishops -- not all.
Passivness has become a teaching that is really contrary to the Bible. We are to RESIST evil wherever it appears -- I am not talking about giving in to violence. But as yet there are enough people with belief in moral right and wrong that without violence we could let our opinion be known and speak out --- all that believe in right and wrong -- . Washington for example listens when the majority speaks. But the majority has not spoken in some time. And Silence gives Okay to everything.

The Church authorities would be wise to listen because their members are leaving in protest. But the Bishops may be so obsessed with their own agendas they won't hear. The Devil doesn't let someone go easily. O you don't believe in the Devil any more? Or Evil? Well, I am sorry to hear that.

Standing for something is not easy. We are all human and too easily influenced. That is why a belief in the Bible was so important. But the Devil sneaked in "evolution'" and that was okay as long as it was admitted to be a Theory.

When something can't be proved it is a Theory.
The Christian belief in God is a Theory. Because none of us can go back to the beginning and show proof of our beliefs. Evolution is still a Theory. The Catalyst for evolutions beginning that brought 'life' to inanimate things can't be proved. The Christian believes that God's Word was the catalyst. But we can't "prove" it. Neither can the evolutionist.

Neither can the Mormons or Methodists. We should each make an attempt to find the belief we are willing to bet our 'souls' and the years of eternity on. This life is just a split second and time ends with physical death. But 'you' live on and on. Making the best choice possible is very important. And since no one knows when the end will come (according to the Bible) it seems wise to do the best we can while we can.

The Mormon church is a joke... but you can't truly expect to go to one of their services and not get that treatment can you? Oh did the guys show up on bikes too? Thanks Billy Bob

I had to move 700 miles away to get away from them. Look on ex mormon.org, and you can find anything out about them that you want. The website exmormon.org only spends about $150.00 a month to run it, and the Mormon church right now is spending thousands on their TV ads and computer ads to enlist new members. They also "boost" their membership numbers, but they don't count all of those who have resigned. I was pressured into joining, and I regretted it from day one. I started planning my escape on that first day, and unfortunately it took several years for it to happen. I almost lost my life because of their mind games. I escaped from them with only the clothes I had on my back, and my cat. NO way was I leaving her behind! She was all I had left. I lost everything to their cult. My money, my health, and my posessions... It took my family that lived 700 miles away 8 months to deprogram me. At times I even wanted to go back! That is a sure sign of a cult. the wanting to go back, cause the person doesn't know any better, and they are convinced that the cult members are their only friends, and that the individual does not need any outside family, especially if a persons outside family are NOT members, only fellow culties. I see a counselor now, and I have come a long way. Sometimes the recovery for me is 1 step forward and 2 steps back, but somehow I get through it. They made my life a living hell cause I would NOT conform, and become an obedient, submissive wife! There was always that little part of me that they couldn't break and that is how I ultimately survived. The bishop also required me to hand over my paychecks in order to pay "back tithe", and "fees" that he felt I owed to them. This left me little to no money to survive on, including going without heat for over a year, and never having enough food to eat. The women have a big tendency to "spy" on each other, and it is one big gossip fest with the rumors of bad behavior getting back to the bishop. I have heard of cases where one of the members will ask to use someones bathroom, and they then go thru the cabinets and drawers looking for forbidden items such as birth control, cigarettes, etc, . The bishop then tells the member that he wants to visit with them. He will then "council" the person. Doesn't matter how they find out. We were always hungry. That is also one way that they control their members, not enough food, being physically uncomfortable. I think of myself now as a survivor and NOT a victim. I have done outreach to a lot of ex culties now, and have managed to keep at least 6 people from joining them. Best wishes.

never again: Really, Seriously, you expect people to believe that story? WOW, you belong in a clinic. Have another hit and tell some more. That is soooooo far from the truth. You are delusional, and reek of conspiracy theory jibberish. Later!

You werent there, so how would you know what I went through!