Mormon church review: Harassment 175

If it walks and talks like one, it most likely is one. And, your story is a fresh serving of s$%t talk. Anyone who actually engages their brain would see right through the "smoke screen". you somehow got offended and now are just lying about what really happened, just to make yourself feel better. Who are you kidding? Oh yea, YOURSELF. I bet your whole life is a miserable place to be: Drama everywhere, people lying to you, you being "cheated" out of life. When in fact it could be simple and happy. Just accept people, treat them fairly, DON'T LIE ABOUT YOUR ENCOUNTERS! And have faith and trust that there still are honest people out there. Not everybody is out to control you *(BTW, what an egotistical mindset! Are you really that important or have that much wealth that someone wants to control you?) From the sounds of it, you are so broke that you couldnt even buy two sticks to rub together for heat. What good would controlling you do? People really do care about you. Quit pushing them away, and take some responsibility for your actions. Maybe than your life will get better. "look first within for the change before you go looking to change others"

Scorpion Princess: WOW! hate is such a strong word. Do you even know any mormons, like really know them. I would venture to say NO. Who do you know that married 9-yr old girls? Get your facts straight before dumping on the web! (BTW, what is up with your username? Are you quick to attack? or do you sting your own best friends when you get the chance because "you are a scorpion and that is what scorpions do best?" WHERE IS THE LOVE IN THIS WORLD?

What the hell is your problem Dr ###? This ### did happen, and I don't lie you inbred ###ing piece of ###! I did not conform to their "standards" so they made my life a living hell! I dont care if you believe me or not. I know what happened and so does my real family, not those inbred mormon pieces of ###! That piece of ### bishop DID make me turn over my paychecks. Im just glad I got the hell outta there when I did! I also pissed them off more than once cause I refused to go to their temple and do their secret handshakes and chant "Pay Lay Ale" 3 times! Lets not forget how absolutely stupid they look in their bakers caps, and stupid white angel shorts! What a crock of ###! Lets all remember the green aprons too! The temple looks like the conference room at the Holiday Inn! They got way pissed at me when I refused to give them my brothers DOB, and DOD. They wanted to do some "dead dunking" with his name and info. It never happened. I also dont believe that some dude named Joe Smith is a prophet...PROFIT maybe. Does the current "for profit" Monson have a revelation when he clips off a turd, or beats off? Does he still have sex with his counselors too? I heard that Monson is a butt pirate! hahahahahaha! Screw you Monson! Wait, wait, there it is...AN or***** with his screwing buddies also known as the 1st and 2nd counselors! hahahahaha!

never again: you really have a way with words! NICE VOCABULARY. This shows me your true side. U R FULL OF HATE! It's easier to dish on others than to face the truth inside. From the sounds of it, you had to lie to even get a temple recommend, which explains why you are already pissed off. You found out that there is no secret, and now you were asked to live a biblical law of tithing, but you were going to have none it! Now you want to make fun of them and the ceremony process within the temple. Way to attack a character. What about the gospel. Typical. You are all about the personal attacking. Have fun with your drama filled life!

I have had my fair share of occurrences with them, but to slander a "whole" because of one "part". It appears to be human nature to fight against something that "offends" you. Now, the real maturity lies in the persons ability to separate the human error out of the equation, even if that means admitting some negative personal flaws; and we all have them. This whole tangent is merely a call to look deep within one's self to sort out your "own side of the street" as they say in AA. And when one is truly able to be completely and utterly honest with ones self, than the views of how people truly treat you will be TOTALLY TRANSFORMED. In this instance, I believe that NEVER AGAIN is REACTING vs. RESPONDING to the outside environment and associated factors, and then adjusting the facts to fit the aforementioned above story to their liking. Most fellow Psych. clinicians would tend to rule towards this prognosis. But, as surely as one is completely convinced that things happen in a certain way, than they are as sure to believe a false to be truth as to the ends of all reasoning.

Scorpionprincess: Yep, I guess I did miss it, along with all the other incredulous news of "the century". What those males did was way far out of the spectrum of sane actions, by almost everybody's standards. It happens with Catholics and alter-boys and amongst uncles and nieces and nephews and siblings and ...! It is the actions of individuals, not of the principles. Or do I need to drop that MAJOR fact of what is going on. ...AGAIN! I laugh at you and your rebuttal! YOU REALLY DON'T GET IT!

I happen to be a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I am very offended at the way some of you are talking about my religion, furthermore I am upset that you don't know what you are talking about. Yes, Joseph Smith was our first Prophet. We do NOT have plural marriages. We do not practice Paligamy. We do have certain Garments that we wear for Protection, and we do believe in the Holy Bible. We also believe in the Book of Mormom. Christ is our elder brother and we are all children of God.

While this website caught my eye and what was a simple statement of one's experience, then to read everyone's comments. I find myself bewildered beyond believe.
I find that most of all of you who are leaving comments to know one thing or another of what you are talking about, but lack the True compassion of who God our Father, Jesus christ our savior and even for those talking of the spirit.
Now, I'm not throwing stones, but find myself pondering the delusion of questions.
I have read so many comments of blaspheme, contradiction, bantry, attacking, verbal and mental abuse...and most all have dictated to preach of some form of religion.
It may have all started out innocently enough, has proven to me that most of us need to really think and search for the answers we are so trying hard to spread.
If you take offense to this in your heart, then you know who I am speaking to...

I lived in a small MORMON town for years. I have never seen so many hypocrites in my life! When you first meet them the first thing they ask is "ARE YOU LDS?" "HOW DO YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? and "WHERE ARE YOU FROM? They don't even accept other mormons from other towns and especially the city. If they were honest people they wouldn't have to hide their alcohol, drug use. The state of UTAH has one of the highest prescription drug abuses in the nation. The divorce rate is extremely high. The children are BRAINWASHED from the time they could walk. I could go on for hours but they would only deny it.

I like cookies: So what you are implying is that black people who put up with discrimination until the civil rights movement are also not very bright? That is, in essence, what you are saying

xeniphobicon: why was the mosaic law stopped, when Christ came? Who knows the answer to why blacks couldn't receive the priesthood until recently. I suppose there will always be the people who want things NOW and complain at the speed of progression. Our country is still progressing, along with the world. Democracy is new for other countries, just like running water is new to 3rd world countries. It doesn't change the essence of the message because it is new. Why are there different colors of skin? As we have been told, it is because it was a curse, a "Mark", on Cain and his posterity, for killing his brother, Abel. Read on from the Bible...

"9Then the Lord said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?"
"I know not, " he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"
10Then He said, "What have you done? Your brother's blood cries out to Me from the ground! 11So now you are cursed [with alienation][44] from the ground that opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood you have shed. 12If you work the land, it will never again give you its yield. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth."
13But Cain answered the Lord, "My punishment[45] is too great to bear! 14Since You are banishing me today from the soil, and I must hide myself from Your presence and become a restless wanderer on the earth, whoever finds me will kill me."
15Then the Lord replied to him, "Therefore, [46] whosoever slayeth Cain vengeance will suffer vengeance seven times over. "[47] And the Lord set a Mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. 16Then Cain went out from the Lord's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

why don't you google "cain and abel"? You will find that almost every ancient religious text has history of this in some form or another. Coincidence? I think NOT. Just something to ponder!

Xenophob: Oh, it was "fulfilled", by the coming of Christ. Anyway, it was "changed". And the reason that the mormons were forced out...way off! Try, they were being harassed, persecuted, and killed for their beliefs and way of life. I guess if you consider large families a slave mill, than maybe, but you are missing your mark. Obfuscating is clearly not the intent, but deeper reflection on what really happened, and not some opinion of a radical "scholar" who has a vendetta against the church. Besides you posted:
...Any Mormon isn't bright, sunshine. They practice polygamy and dictatorship, and they twist up the Bible's words to excuse their desires. Which is funny to me why they won't accept gays, seeing as how they do the same thing...
Now where in the bible does is say to accept gays. In fact, multiple times it speaks out strongly against promiscuity and laying down one man to another. It doesnt get any clearer than that what is being said...Or is the bible "obfuscating" the message that you want to get from it. Who is "twisting" the gospel. His message was spoke back then, and it is the same for today: Homosexuality is wrong. It is "next to murder" in his eyes. Ya "got em right here", right?
GOD spoke, and continuous to speak, to those who are worthy and in tune. Revelation for his Gospel and also personal Revelation.
The message hasn't changed. Society has and they are trying to change the meaning of the Gospel too. Besides, your comment about Mormons not being bright? Name calling is so juvenile...and immature. Just shows your character! Grow up!

I got that comment straight from your post...where are you at? Your a piece of work, all right!

What I do know is that I am a better person for going to church and striving to be more Christ-like. I don't spew negative degrading comments at other people. I work on overcoming my deficiencies and loving my neighbor. HOWEVER, I also know that when I believe in something that helps me to better myself and my surroundings, and when someone is so hell-bent on focusing on the negative and trying to get everyone around them to be miserable with them, than I say something. Quit spreading half-truths and opinion-laden statements, if all you are going to be is a downer, continually trying to "rain" on others entitlement to praise GOD how they want and to be enlightened if they so choose to be! Be a light to this world, not a black hole of pessimism! You will get more out of life if you do!

Nay-sayers will always grab on to something to scoff at! what is the point of this thread? I believe what I believe, and you naysayers believe something else. Go twist some other facts about groups that do good, and come back! May you all get a little "Love" in your life!

XENO: subterfuge? Naysayer is more like it. I see your agenda. Try and dismantle a persons belief in something. At least they have something to believe in!

Ok so this DB2010 person clearly lives in Alabama or some backwards uneducated state. Of course you should respect the Mulsim faith, extremists led to the attack on the country not the Muslim religion - idiot. Ugh, it's so frustrating.

Anyway in response to this lady, I grew up Mormon and am now just non-denominational Christian. I used to prepare the sacrament and to think there was a tranquilizer in the water is hilarious. So I thank you for that good chuckle today. Also, all Christian churches request tithing and money or how else would they even exist? Oh, and yes Mormons are Christian because they believe Jesus died on the cross for their sins and is their savior, that's the definition of a Christian, end of discussion. But honey you should have never had this church relocate you and your children on their nickel if all you were going to do is bash them? Who raised you anyways? The level on ingratitude is amazing.

I received a per- approval letter from union workers credit union. Atfter i read the letter, i called a friend to get her opion
my friend is very technically smart, she said to goggle it so here i am. It is good to have friend that can help you in making a decision like this. From the complaints i veiwed i will not use this service period!

Xeno: Why do you spread this? Unless you were there to know all of the details involved, you are a biased bigot! Yes, everyone, google everything. Question who Xeno's resources are: mormonzietgiest? That site is ran by another bigot! Way to be part of the problem! I believe in doing your homework, but when you only post one side of a story, well, that isn't very good reporting, UNLESS you are biased to one side. Report ALL the facts possible, THEN let the people decide. I hope you are smart enough to realize that there were major fears and motives for what happened back then. Question yourself WHY did that massacre happen, WHO was involved, WHAT was the driving force behind the reasoning, WHERE were problems for the mormons coming from (The attacks of bigots and taking of their lands, pushing them off of it, killing them), WHEN did they have enough of being pushed around? Before forming judgement, consider some of these questions.

Well, it appears that you have a vendetta against the church, because out of the blue you post antagonistic comments. Why seek such negative actions? I don't get you. Most true active members of the church will do more good for this world than a major part of society. So, why be so attacking of them? And yes there have been mistakes made. But, the church has acknowledged them and is finding a way to reconcile them. The principles are true, but the church is still ran by mankind, which then makes it prone to error. It doesn't matter who you are, you are going to make mistakes. As soon as you are perfect, than you can "cast the first stone". Until then, lay off.

Oh Xeno: and might I add that you got your degree in "Mass Comm."? The easiest degree to get, the one with the least amount of work/effort. I have looked into it and have talked to other mass comm students. Maybe this is why you seem to have a "full knowledge". Yet you only check a few "websites". I am willing to bet that you didn't answer all of those questions i mentioned last night before you formed a conclusion, did you? You got just what you wanted and then were satisfied with your "research" of listening to other peoples opinions and your resources (which have never been cited, so I assume that they are incorrect or only half-way accurate at best). Yes, I have checked this stuff out also, both church approved and non-member written material . I know what I am talking about. What else do you want to talk about? With Love...

Amen, blinderx. Oh well.

Alright, this is stupid. One complaint starts a wholr danged war. I happen to be Mormon, and we are not a cult, no one gets paid and they all have jobs. No one was used, it was just a misunderstanding and the people involved need to stop complaining about hospitality and get on with whatever is in their life to get on with. If you don't like it, so be it. But that's basically what needs to happen here. For people to use good judgement and be sensible.

Wow. A single complaint starts a whole war. 17 pages worth nontheless. I happen to be a member of said church, and we are not pedophiles, the leaders don't get paid like most places, they all have jobs. The main leaders only get paid room and board as well as food. You are all so quick to complain about something you think was wrongly done to you, but you should honestly look at yourself first. You needed help, you got it. You don't like it? perhaps you should have not even bothered. The water is simply that...water. Nothing else. Instead of complaining about every little thing and having a nice little war of comments, you guys should really just get on with whatever it is you have to get on with in your life. If this seems rude, I honestly mean nothing by it. But look at yourselves first before pointing the finger and going along with false pretences for once.

I am so deeply sorry for whoever first posted this. Stealth pilot, brenda, i like cookies, and more, is all the same person. he/she/it goes around bullying people, basically. do not bother with this said person. just report them, so they can be banned.

you have so much room to talk, imintheirshoes...

I am new to this site and have been looking around at diff. complaints so that I am more well informed about things that I may consider in the future. Of course, I was curious about the diff. areas such as worst rated and so on. Somehow this post caught my attention. Unless you have been a victim of abuse, you would not understand this lady reaching out wherever she could for help. I don't blame her at all. I do believe that there are religions that do involve weird practices (such as drugging & other things). I do know that there are religions that will not stop visiting you trying to get you to follow their beliefs. Hey..that is what is taught in alot of religions. I don't think that this lady "used" the church. She was told that they would help her. At least that is what I got out of it. I do know that in the posts that I have read, the same few names show up making nasty comments calling them names and using profanity. That is just sad. Attack me if you will but I will not respond. Good luck to this lady and her children.

Wow, very helpful info.same thing happend tome at LA weight loss centers in Cali.They all the sudden cloaed down.and a lot of ppl lost money...very sad

What a ramp!This person must be on drugs.I've known LDS for years and they are some of the best folks you could ever meet.

Let me start by saying that I love the way you expressed an opposing opinion. Ithas to be the cleanest, most well expressed that I have seen on this site. I too, am struggling. This economy has cost me my job of 30 years. I have been luky to this date now to have to ask for help.
What I was trying to say is that if she and the children were being abused, she was probably desperate for help, as any mother would be. Yes, she did take the help offered by the church. I don't know about all religions, only my own church. My church reaches out and helps people with no expectations. Yes, people are invited to visit or even become members but nobody is ever harrased. I do agree that she should consider attending a church because the benefits can be great. However, if she does not feel comfortable with the practices of that particular church or even that particular religion, she should not be required or even expected to attend. What would that benefit her or the members? What about the cousin? Were they not that close? I would know if my cousin would be suited as a member of my church. Of course, I come from a very close family. But again, my church would help my cousin with no expectations.

sorry..typo...lucky not to have to ask for help

Nice to hear that you watched the babies. I did the same thing for about 11 years myself. And I like the last paragraph of your comment. Maybe that lady can return the favor the church provided her by helping someone else out?

Yikes! Ira, I'm sorry to hear about your horrid experience with the Morman church. I hope you have some resolve in the matter soon. Thanks for posting your complaint. Another good resource for complaints is Camplaints.com. It's where your complaints are heard and seen.

Goodluck,
Michael

Ganja is just a distraction, like a magicians smoke and mirrors. Easy you burn one down, and your life ends up in tears. The days go by so "blazingly" slow, but the years move on, you ask "where did they go". There will always be a reason or excuse, but a clear mind is really the best use, of our GOD given talents and abilities. Anomolies are O.K., but they shouldn't be the norm, give it up for the word of wisdom, strength is what it helps us form.

Being a veteran of living in Provo Utah as non LDS I can tell you allot about them. They practice Muslim Sharia law there. If you are not one of them you are treated with as 2nd class citizen with social and financial penalty. I have lived in the southeast where it is primarily Baptist and in the northeast where it is mostly Jewish or Catholic. Nothing could have prepared me for the lizards in Provo. Nasty people that rule with an iron fist. Anything non LDS is immediately attacked and forced out with every other reason but the truth. When they tell you you cannot have a coffee pot in your office it is because "it just makes such a mess" and never the true reason of their interpretation of "the word of wisdom". You are best to just stay away from them and stand your ground as a non believer. Let them know they are trespassing when they come to your door. Another example of how they manipulate things is how physical polygamy is not practiced due to US law, however a Woman cannot get a "temple divorce" there but a Man can. This means a Man can have 5 or 6 legal divorces but still be "sealed" to all the Women according to the temple resulting in a mental or spiritual polygamy. See how they are? The stitching in their "garments" (their underwear) symbolizes where the cuts of a knife are supposed to be and in what shape if they violate their "blood oaths". Fundamentalist Dan Lafferty can tell you all about that from his Utah State Prison cell as he is in there for executing his Sister in Law after her infidelity to his Brother. They also have conveniently removed The Mountain Meadows Massacre from the Utah State History curriculum in public schools to try to bury that story 120 years after the fact. Then there are the bombings that took place in front of peoples apartments in SLC in 1983 to keep a Joe Smith document that had been uncovered from coming to light that would have unraveled the entire LDS organization. Yeah their lovely, aren't they? Just stay away from them and make sure they stay away from you.

Hey shoes! I know all about that game. Been there, done that! Did that for many years, and finally woke up to the fact that I have motivation and a desire to do more with my life than sit around getting dumb and eating chips or whatever else is around. Do I miss it? Certain parts, but I want to be a strong example to those around me and a good provider for my family, and it is really hard when blowing $100 every 2 weeks for an Oz. Just don't worry about where that money is better spent. Your kids or helping someone else out. I am not ignorant, you pompous ###. I know that game all too well. I was merely opining about a previous posting. LAME!

To Mesquite, Nevada Resident, Im not going to be rude im just commenting on your comment.
Not all mormons in Utah are like that, it is only the people who live on the other side of the mountain who (as we all know) fundamentals. We are the same as them but they still believe in the olden day commandments, yes I will admit their olden days they were commanded by god our father to have as many children. It seems sicking but we stopped this long ago, they were commanded to stop but the other people as in their families "blood" didnt want to stop so basically they did not followed the commandments. So in conclusion they are so not the same but no not all mormons in Utah are like that. Our prophet President Monson does not do polygamy. But the FLDS still do that, we dont stop them because its just their way of "culture". But to Sweetsage 2 its okay if you dont believe in my religion.

Here in South Africa we also have the Mormons, must be queers, never see women.I allow them in, then let my pit bulls out in the yard, after i have given them coffee and allowed them tp try persuade me about Joe.I then excuse myself and ask if they will forgive me if i don't see them out, i open the door and bid them farewell, we have a large yard.I can hear the screams as they forget their bicycles and sprint for the gates.

The Mormons I have met are the nicest young men I have ever met in my life! I do not agree with their teachings, but strange enough, neither do most of the members I met. I think they're doing their best to live decent lives, just like the rest of us, and raise their kids with values. A lot of the ones I know relocated to the suburbs and the country for this purpose. They're a little different, but definitely give up a lot to spread the word. This includes coffee. I'm really not sure why I would have to do that in order to get baptized, but hey. It's not for me, but I still talk to the missionaries and attend their fun events for children. They are definitely all about family. I just don't like the idea of people in South America mutating from people of semetic descent to what they are now, and their prophet calling them cursed by God because they were brown.