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The perspective of an wetsren but global citizen upon the issue going on here:

Dear all Indians and South Koreans, the rule of the world is : Claim honour whence You beecome achiever.
Now, India is obviously a non-achieving country in terms of social infrastructure development, education, health-care and political effort for national development. On the other hand, South Korea is obviously an achiever in all of those parameters.

Hence, as a result, South Korea deserves to be respected and India need to follow to develop further.

The [censor]ation in India visible in all sphere: social infrastructure, public honesty, political honesty, quality-of-life of commons, education, research, public health care etc. etc. List is very long.

Today, government of Korea, POSCO and, SISO offers scholarships to Indian, Vietnamese, Cambidian and Nigerian students for the studies in Korea and doing research. By this means, South Koreans government have changed the status quo from a receiver/listener country in 1985 to a ordering benevolent country. Today, South Korea offers education to Indian students to improve the education in India as an aid. Indian government has transformed into educational aid-receiver from South Korea.

There are very few scholarships ofered by Indian government to South Korean students in Engineering, Technology and other science domains.

Hence, obvious conclusion is that India will be modulated more and more by Korean culture, education, food and language in future and Korea will behave as boss to Indians. It is natural because, India could not achieve to its potential.

Hence, the conclusion follows.

GlobalCitizen:-)

You are just right. India needs foreign leaders for the benevolent activities improving the quality-of-life of common Indians. It appears that Indians are not well self-managed. Indians need some leader to show them the model or ways of developing their country.

For example, Indian teachers learn from American teaching methods, Indian professors follow UK/USA model, Indian economists follow USA model (earlier Nehru followed Russia model), Indian cinema and actors follow American movie techniques, Indian fashion designers follow western styles, Indian commons follow European, American and Chinese foods (noodles, burger, pasta, pizza, pie etc.), Indian architecture today follow western housing models, ...the list is endless.

Hence, India needs foreign leaders or leadership models to develop further. South Korea can help India in this regard, they can become a role model for Indian politicians and administrators teaching Indian politicians how to to good for common Indian quality-of-life.

Only with foreign leadership and administration, India can develop.

In the same line, Indians working in SISO should not complaint against Korean MD. Rather, Indian managers and engineers should learn from him.

It seems whole world put sympathy to India and Indians…India beg for aid from all over the world…even today…..Korea, Ireland, USA, Israel, Russia, Europe, Canada, Malaysia, and many other nations aid India even today…so pls. do not hurt these people more….they are already dead in their national prestige and self-respect. From PM to street beggars of India knows that they have no respect in world arena.

What is the point in banging a prostitute? Same is the case here. So please stop.

All right Mr.GlobalCitizen. You are right when you said S.Korea has become achiever, but its only in some areas. In other areas India too has achieved a lot. For example, space research (even students here buit satellites (STUDSTAT was launched recently)), cruise missile (Brahmos, World's only supersonic cruise missile). You spoke as if you have complete grasp over the situation in India, but unfortunately you seem to be less informed.
SISO and POSCO offer scholarships, yes. But they come with committement to work for their organisations. You are speaking as if they are doing Social Service here. BTW have you ever visited MHRD webpage of India. India too offers scholarships for study in S.Korea (not only SISO) and also offer scholarships to those who come to study in India. Do you know that Bharati group and TATA group too offer sholarships, who worth sometimes exceeds that of SISO and POSCO.
Mr.Wonderer, do you know that Indians have also exported their food to Eurpoe and US? Do you know that Indian cusine was voted the favourite among Britisg this year? In India the penetration of pizzas and McDonald's is limited only to the cities. Majority of the people still eat what our traditional food is. Indian grading system is univ is different from that of US or UK system (I have studied in noth places, so I know it better) and yes we do adopt some methods from their systems. Having said that, check the faculty page of any premier US univ and you will find Indian faculty in good numbers there. We are contributing to the system as well, so why not use our own contributions. Indian economists have won nobel prize and they have influenced the global economy. We have a robust economy and had we followed US model we would have been in recession too. But we showed a consistent growth of 8%. No other country but China has better figure than us.
India has shown great promise of development in last two decades and we dont need any foreign leadership to bring us the development. We can protect our borders, unlike many who rely on others (including Indian Peace keeping force) and we will be the country to look at in next decades.
And Mr.Toddler, we beg for aid, yes. But at the same time FDIs are keen t invest here and even the US admin is wary of job shipping to India. Because we have good human resources and what people call cheap labour. Its cheap but its beacuse of PPP, not that we dont have self respect. Even expatriates acknowledge the diff which is mosly beacuse of the cost of living. Not to mention we provide aid to other countries and UN both in form of money and man power. We launch satellite missions for other countries, supply them helicopters. I agree with you on one point that all this crap must be stopped. I reiterate, the topic is the work condition in SISO is the topic here not the debate on supremacy of countries.
Some of the SISO's policies are gross violation of Indian labour laws. Unlike Korea law, we have strict rules about the work timings. All that I say is implement the rules which are conforming to the law of land. I do not say that MD is at fault. He might not be aware of the law, but its the responsibility of the HR to advise him, which is not happening. This is the core issue and nothing else.

Dear IamWhatIam, thanks for information. However, it is strange that South Koreans will go to India to learn Engineering, Technology and Science! The international and historical face of India, even today, is land of multiple religions, ethnic conflicts, forest resources and under development along with government apathy/ignorance to need of quality-of-life of common Indians.

We have never heard that your Indian TATA and Bharati (I assume those are Indian companies) is offering educational scholarships to South Koreans to study in India! It is just absurd...South Korean students will go to India for studies? No way.

Rather, there is a surge of Indian students comming from Indian Institutes of Technologies and other universities to South Korean universities to do masters and doctoral degrees. They have said in media here in Korea that they want to stay back here after studies and donot want to return to your country.

We have never heard that your Indian TATA and Bharati (I assume those are Indian companies) is offering educational scholarships to South Koreans to study in India! It is just absurd...South Korean students will go to India for studies? No way. Can you show any evidence?

Hello Wonderer, education is not just limited to Science and Technology. I suggest you visit Banaras Hindu University in Varanasi, to see the influx of foreign students opting to study in India. BTW in India especially in IITs foreign students cannot seek admission, which is why there is no one here. DASA rule applicable till 2002 was scrapped, so there is no way of a foreign student getting enrolled in IITs.

Now, majority of IITians go to US for higher education. Only a few go to South Korea. Thats the same case alsmot everywhere. Very recently Samsung visited a prestigious college in Europe to offer placements in South Korea. Not many did turn up as they feared cultural problems especially related to language in Korea. Some of the were apprehensive of hostile situation prevailing with N Korea.

I agree that the reputation of India in international circles is not very good in terms of social life. I agree that there are problems, largely due to the diversity, high population and people who have vested interests. But what I disagree to the philosophy 'since u r already suffering, let us add more to it', which is exactly sounded in what many people here wrote against India. Every country has its own problems and achievemnts. We have our own and we are fighting against it, just like every one. What few people seem to suggest is that S.Korea should be given the rule over India to make us progress. Have they forgotten the failed principle of 'White Man's burden'. Even the might of British empire could not sustain the wrath of oppressed people (not only in India but all around in its colonies).

And again reg the scholarships you have grossly misinterpreted what I have written. Did I ever say that TATA has offered scholarship for a Korean to study in India? TATA funds Indian students to study in UK. Bharati does that for US and so is the case with Reliance and Mahindra. Govt of India sponsors S.Korean students to study in India. If you want evidence, please do take some time to visit the city of Varanasi and its University and go the the International House where you will find students from various countries including S.Korea.

Now let me put a straight question, 'what does all this have to do with the policies being implemented in SISO?'. Why are we arguing on the supremacy of countries, where as the subject here is entirely different. It could happen even in a company owned and run by an Indian, that does not make it correct. Any policy that is against the will of majority of employees and against the law of land should not be enforced, no matter whether the company is of Indian origin US origin or Korean one. This is what I have been always saying and will say, unless some one provokes with stupid comments against India.

Everybody please read this:

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ignou-draws-most-foreign-students-to-india-study/436741/1

A copy of the news published in above link as pasted below too :
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Anubhuti Vishnoi
Tags : IGNOU, foreign students
Posted: Fri Mar 20 2009, 00:24 hrs
New Delhi:

The latest study on the profile of international students in India shows that it is the Indira Gandhi National Open University (IGNOU), a distance education institute, which draws the maximum number of foreigners. With 3, 000 foreign students in 2005-06, it leaves the other varsities in the country far behind.

Pune University comes second, having attracted over 2, 400 foreign students in the same academic year with Manipal University next at 1, 400-plus students from abroad. Delhi University finishes fourth with 1, 055 students, followed by Birla Institute of Technology & Science (BITS) Pilani with 912 foreign students admitted in 2005-06.

The study, conducted by Prof Dayanand Dongaonkar and senior research assistant Dr Usha Rai Negi for the Association of Indian Universities (AIU), has also categorised those coming to study in India by country of origin.

Students from more than 130 countries came to study in India in 2005-06. While over 10, 000 came from Asia, over 2, 000 hailed from African nations. The study further shows that the biggest chunk of students coming to India for higher education are from the UAE — up from 1, 500 students in 2004-05 to 2, 034 in 2005-06 — with neighbour Nepal sending in the next highest number of students at around 1, 400 in 2005-06. Iran with 1, 264 students, Saudi Arabia with 551 and Sri Lanka and Kenya with 535 and 523 respectively are next on the list that includes Mauritius, Oman and Bahrain among the top ten nations that send their students to India for higher learning. Over 400 students came from the US, 254 from Vietnam, 128 from Canada, 40 from Germany, 18 from Greece and 68 from the UK. Other nations represented in India’s campuses are Venezuela, Finland, Norway and Sudan.

The SAARC nations alone send over 2, 800 students, although the number has gone down from 3, 200 in 2004-05.

Keeping in mind the increasing number of foreigners coming to India for higher education, the Prime Minister’s Office had last year even instituted a committee to examine the problems faced by the foreign student community in India. The committee headed by ICCR head Pawan Verma had recommended a series of measures to ease the admission process and facilitate the stay of foreign students in the country. The Human Resource Development (HRD) Ministry had accordingly issued a set of guidelines recently to achieve the same end, asking varsities to establish a single window system to help foreign students secure admission and more easily navigate the security check process.
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When the time for GWP survey is back, HR has sent the begging mail to everyone to give good ratings. Time to screw these guys to as much extent as possible.

People, ignore all the racial comments, these could be just be posted by SISO management to make this discussion go to nowhere.

Let us know the world everyone about the junk policies of this MD

a) Office Timings: The offcial working hours is 8:30 to 5:30, but since the company provides free transport, the buses come at 7:45 and leave at 5:45 making the total working hours to 10 per day. The free breakfast, transport and lunch are not free, employees have to pay it through the extra hour of work.

b) Breakfast timing: The breakfast coupon vending machine is closed by 8:15, so if you miss the deadline additional inconvenience to go to the nearby mall where breakfast is costly or wait till 10 for the tuck shop to open.

b) Payment for extra hours: Company pays project incentive for which one of the parameters is the number of hours you put in is a parameter. So a person who sits till 9 browsing just for the free dinner can get a better project incentive than a person who works smart/as much required.

c) School grading: A new grading has been started from last year, wherein each team compulsorily forced to grade a person a genius and another person a loser, and the rest between them, just like a school. So if you are lucky you may be declared a genius if you get to join a team full of underperformers and if you are unlucky you may be tagged a loser even if you are good but get a team full of better guys. i.e. X could get first rank in Section 'A' (read team A), even if he gets 300/800 but Mr. Y could be the last in Section 'B' inspite of scoring 600/800.

d) Late workers beware: A employee very occasaionally asked to work late. On such occasions if he forgets to apply for "change of working hours" for the next day. If he/she fails to do so and comes late the next day to compensate for the lost sleep, half day leave will be cut if he/she comes after 10

e) Meagre hikes: Samsung made huge profits this year, but yet, the hikes given were same as the recession year. Outsourced employees have got better hikes from their parent companies.

The HR, VPs have no say in this as they are just puppets at the hands of the MD. These no-longer-fit-to-be-alive guys just try to convince the new policies of the MD.

New update:

From the next calendar year plans are in pipeline to have per milestone appraisals.

So people who love to be in SISO but not able to due to these policies

1) Leave SISO get few years experience and come back and join as a Manager in SISO.
2) Get a MBA in HR and join HR team.
3) Get some unwanted degrees like Hiraman and join the corporate security team.

The reason is that all the above mentioned class of people are not applicable for most of the above policies and especially the "School grading" policy.

Why not we form an employee association and let management know our concerns? They cannot prohibit us or terminate our employment for joining such an association as it is our constitutional right and also guaranteed under ILO as India is a signatory of that. (Note South Korea has not ratified the agreement and hence such an association would be illegal there).
SISO's overtime policy (making people work for 10 hrs) is violation of both Factories Act 1948 and Karnataka Shops and Establishments Act.

The only way is we all must come together and stay as one. I am sure we can get the old SISO back !

Its time for me to ask a few questions to the SISO management through this forum.

1. A excerpt from SISO's official webpage. "A flat, networked organization, as well as speed and flexibility in decision-making, characterize the SISO Way of working. " If the organisation is really flat, then why have tags behind our names showing our designation on intranet?

2. If SISO is a performance driven organisation then why people are promoted based only on number of years of experience? The only instance where performance has been used is to "deny" promotion.

3. SISO claims that it is a R&D center. MD says that his vision is to make SISO a R&D hub. With the current level of attrition where people with 6-9 years of experience are leaving, the organisation is left with either freshmen at early stages of career or those who are in upper management. How can competency be built and the vision of becoming R&D hub be realised? If it cannot be done, what is fun in claiming it as a R&D center. We all know what R&D we are doing inside. Better re designate it as an off-shoring center. Can the management do that?

4. One of the reasons cited for change of work hours is is traffic congestion in Bangalore. With the metro coming up by end of year, the traffic situation is likely to improve. Will the HR roll back its policy if such thing happens?

5. Are there any quantitative metrics to show that the performance of the organiastion has really improved by changing the work hours? If they are available, make it public. If not take a employee survey and keep the process transparent. Are you ready to do that?

If the people in SISO management really read this thread, I hope to get a reply from them !

From management in consultation with HQ:

Hello all SISO employees/managers/engineers/security personals:

Be noted that SISO and, that, Samsung is a South Korean conglomerate invested in India through FDI and by law. Samsung Ltd. has generated a tremendous employment in India through SISO, SDS, SISC etc. and all its other subsidiaries in India. The salary and benefits offered are higher than industry average and too high in considering average income of common Indians in India, which is a low-income country and developing in nature. The purchasing power in Indian market and quality-of-life you can afford with this financial advantages in this disadvantaged country is not ignorable.

Next, in return, you all have to obey South Korean management style and functions. It is HQ who decides and it decides in consultation with upper Indian managers, who agree to policies. Being a South Korean company and doing FDI in your disadvantaged country, your administration in India is having full confidence of our system and functions.

Lastly, it is South Korean work culture, system and style are followed in SISO/SDS/SISC in consultation with HQ-Korea and, it is HQ who are direct mentors to this cost-centre, SISO. SISO is not a profit-centre, it is a cost-centre and pay you high salary for low-end testing/debugging/integration/documentation jobs. As a matter of fact, the cost-to-company has increased steadily in SISO in last 5 years even though managers and engineers are involved in base-level software activities as a support-provider to Samsung engineers in S. Korea. According to our internal grades, SISO engineers/managers are service-providers for Samsung engineers in S. Korea and, is a cost-centre in India.

Finally, if you think it is not suitable to your system and culture, then you are advised to seek alternatives. SISO and Samsung will be following and more strictly enforcing all directives from HQ-Korea and those directives will be enforced in India within Samsung premises. Being a S. Korean company, SISO brings in Korean cultural flavours, work styles and efficiencies at higher-end and, Korean system will be enforced upon subsidiaries in India.

You are required to accept and adopt to S. Korean work-habits, culture, ethics and life-norms in India, while working for a S. Korean conglomerate invested in India a large sum.

Hello Mgmt, this is the reply which I was exactly looking for. Now lets go on with a few more clarifications. Firstly can the mgmt give all what is said above in writing? (even through an official email to all the SISO employees)

1. SISO is a cost center, which does low end testing etc, but not a R&D center. That is what your proposition is. Well, then why does the MD keep saying about vision of R&D center. Is he lying? Is there no credibility to his words? Why does you recruit people in the name of R&D center?

2. Samsung invested in India as FDI and through law. Yes, but FDI law does not override labour laws and the Constitution. Why should a case not be filed against the violation by management?

3. SISO is a part of SEZ. Only economic laws differ here from that of the country, not the labour laws or fundamental rights. The only place in India where you can impose Korean law is in its embassy. Mgmt has NO RIGHT to treat SISO as a territory of S.Korea.

Thanks for the advice on seeking alternative opportunities. People are already doing it in large numbers. If you are really from mgmt, you know it better than me ! Now, with the campus placement season around corner, do you have guts to say in Placement talk that "We are a Cost Center and Not R&D center. We are here to hire you for low end testing, documentation etc".

I am looking forward to hear from you

Dear Indians, after reading this thread as an outsider (never worked for Samsung), I thought it is IMPORTANT to keep you informed the following two facts:

1. The education system in S. Korea is very low-standard in reality and in all universities/institutes the educational models offer Practice-Oriented hands-on education. In addition, the depths of subject studies are very shallow.
This means, S. Koreans depend on you (Indian branches) very very much to get their job done up to a quality to conform customer satisfaction. So, this is the weapon you should use and you all have to spoil their products in market if the management does wrong with your people. This is appropriate tit for tat to them.

Try to use their dependency upon your skills to twist their arm against their wrong doings against you people.

2. Clearly your company is trying to apply DIVIDE AND CONQUER to win your weakness. If they are telling you to rate your colleagues as best, worst and in-between, then that clearly indicates following thing:

A] The management (Korean/Indian) is trying to divide your unity in your group/team by using tricks. It is the same policy British played in India and as a result, 4000 British ruled 10 billion Indians for 300 years (by using Indian police to beat fellow Indians).

Hence, in combining point 1 and 2 above, your immediate tasks are to do followings:

TASK 1: Form a firm Unity in your team/group and among groups/teams so that nobody can crack your unity.

TASK 2: Use your skills (which they need) and their dependencies upon you to twist Korean arms and negotiate your grievances to solutions.

TASK 3: In appraisal/evaluation paper about your colleagues, you all make a decision-under-unity that, EVERYBODY WILL GIVE MAXIMUM MARKS TO EVERYBODY ELSE IN A GROUP/TEAM. Do not give anybody less or more. Everybody in a team should mark all team-members as equal. For example if you are 10 people in a team in SISO, then form a decision that everybody in your team will give EQUAL highest mark to ALL of the rest of your team members.

This will nullify their effort to divide and conquer you by using any disunity among your team.

This thread is a bizarre. It just shows, that Samsung as a organization has failed to win Employee trust. Employees are not together, instead they are racially abusing each other. Whoever is culprit, I am sure, Samsung will pay price for it in longer term. I was employee of Samsung India, and now I quit. I just can't take 8.30 am slavery, lack of flexibility, hierarchical management, lack of creativity any more.

It just amazes me, how employee of same company hate each other on basis of Pseudo superiority. Isn't it a big failure which is going to create a cascading effect? Any ways, I am not concerned with Samsung any more. I do not wish to work with such organization again. And talking National pride out of my own frustration is against my dignity. I didn't like the place, I moved on. I know there are better opportunities and brighter future waiting for me.

The comparison between S. Korea and India:

1. India is corrupt country, Korea is novel country.
2. India is rude country, Korea is polite country.
3. India is backward country, Korea is advanced country.
4. India is illiterate country, Korea is literate country.
5. India is beggar country, Korea is ruling country.
6. India is aid receiver, Korea is aid donor.
7. India should be colonized, Korea should be colonizer.
8. Indian government pathetic, Korean government honourable.
9. Indian businesses are dwarf, Korean businesses are giants.
10. Indians are coolie-clerk, Koreans are innovators.
11. Indians are feudal, Koreans are equal.
12. India is divided, Korea is united.
13. Indians hate India, Koreans love Korea.
14. Indians are idiots, Koreans are strategists.
15. India never develops, Korea is developed.

WE ARE PROUD DEVELOPED KOREANS.

Hey pokiman, pls don't kick the bottom of India...no gain buddy...whole world have had kicked the bottom of India for very long...your Korean MD is kicking them again painfully...now India is a bottom less slave country...severely colonized...they believe GOD IS WHITE...not brown...leave these disrespected land aside...they will obey you after all...don't worry...move on man.

well said pokiman...I have added something more to your 15 commandments . Hope you will agree with them and enjoy reading them !

1. India is corrupt country, Korea is novel country.
Such high is the degree of novelty that in spite of stealing technology from Japs and Americans, they still go uncaught. Unluckily they get caught sometimes and pay $300 million as fine for illegal business activities. And most novel part of it is that they still claim to be corrupt free.

2. India is rude country, Korea is polite country.
So polite that New York times had to publish an article of racism and discrimination in South Korea. Politeness is in their blood. They politely let Japs take control over them, lets USSR influenced N Korea wage a war against them, let US and UN forces come and occupy their territory, without saying a word against them. They were so polite that even after N Korea tested N weapons, they did not retaliate. N Korea bombed their ship and they politely watched it.

3. India is backward country, Korea is advanced country.
But still its economy is larger than many of the advanced countries. Its space research, defense research and institutes of technology are highly regarded in the world. GOD help the "advanced country", when India starts advancing.

4. India is illiterate country, Korea is literate country.
India has the largest english speaking population in the world than any other country. Indian illiterates go to Harvards and MITs and even work as faculty there. Think what would happen if India becomes literate !

5. India is beggar country, Korea is ruling country.
6. India is aid receiver, Korea is aid donor.
The DailyTimes published in London on 19 Sept has an article questioning the aid being given by UK to India saying that now that India has its own international aid giving capability (to countries like Pakistan, Afghan, Bangladesh, and many African countries) and a country which has advanced N weapons program and space research. It has been proposed by the cabinet to slowly reduce aid to India and China, since their economies are on the verge of overtaking that of UK in coming years.
No word about NATO forces being sent to S Korea. Probably they still thing S Korea needs aid !

7. India should be colonized, Korea should be colonizer.
8. Indian government pathetic, Korean government honourable.
After 1947, India had never let a foreign army to stay on its soil. US in 1980s and 90s wanted to establish a military base in India, but was not allowed to do so. More recently India started its operations at Fakkar air base in Khazak. With such a record, how can India be colonised so easily? See the case of S Korea, Japs came, colonised and left. US came and is still staying on the territorial land of S Korea. UN PKF comprising on many nationals come and stay on Korean soil to protect it from its hostile neighbour. How can it colonise when it is still colonised?
In 1996 during IMF crisis, the "honourable" S Korean govt knelt before "pathetic" Indian govt asking it to permit do business in India. What do you call someone who begs from a begger? Only Pokiman may be able to coin a new word for it. (Or let me coin it as Poki Man)

9. Indian businesses are dwarf, Korean businesses are giants.
Yet Arcelor Mittal is the number 1 producer of steel in world, ahead of the giant POSCO. The top 10 steel industries in world have 3 Indian names, Mittal, Tata and Bushan.

10. Indians are coolie-clerk, Koreans are innovators.
This statement of yours make me really suspect if u are actually a Korean. Anyway, Aryabhatta taught the world how to count, Brahmagupta invented 0, Madhava gave details of geometric series and calculation of Pi value accurately and even discovered calculus even before Newton was born. The wireless technology which your S Korean giant Samsung uses in its mobiles was invented by J C Bose, an Indian again. 2009 Nobel Chemistry prize was awarded to an Indian again. Watch history of Maths documentary on BBC, (with korean subtitles, so that you dont miss information) to know what I am talking about. Unfortunately the program mentions about India China Greece Egypt etc etc but no Korea. Disappointing isn't it?

11. Indians are feudal, Koreans are equal.
12. India is divided, Korea is united.
India has a diversity which is much greater than any other country in the world. But still India is an United country and a nation. Korean peninsula has an ethic unity but still divided as N Korea and S Korea.

13. Indians hate India, Koreans love Korea.
14. Indians are idiots, Koreans are strategists.
15. India never develops, Korea is developed.
- President Obama in a recent address to school children in US told that they need to work hard and catch up with the students from Bejing China and Bangalore India. Wonder why he is asking them to compete with idiots. And why is there no mention of strategists from "Seoul".
- A "never developed " India is a member of G-20 and sits along with "developed" S Korea in the same league. It is strongly being recommended to make it a permanent member of UN security council. The developed S Korea is another contender as well. Wonder why "Developed S Korea" is competing with "Never Developed" India.
- Idiotic Indians spent Rs 150 crores to launch a moon mission, which put a "box" on moon and worked for over an year before mission is aborted (not before sending valuable information, which was also published in S Korean newspapers at that time). Strategist S Korea spend money on its space mission to make a satellite which goes no where but stays with them forever. No money is lost. This also shows a innovative approach on how to build satellites that never leave earth. Please get the idea patented.

Mr.Russel, I hope you are not frustrated by Indians taking away your jobs in US and kicking on your butt. Dont worry President Obama is taking all care for you. In case if you lose your job, you are welcome to join your friend Poki Man in SISO. With the high attrition rate there, I am sure you will find a job easily.
In Indian mythology, hindus worship Lord Rama, Krishna, Shiva who are known for their dark complexion. GOD is neither white and brown. Only idiots (sorry to use this word, no disrespect intended) attribute race to GOD. I hope you are not one among them.

All right, these Poki Mans and others have tested my patience. You guys should keep in mind that when you put a point here, think twice and know that I am here. I am a diplomat from India and I represent my country in the world along with several other IFS colleagues. We know the history of country better that any one of you. We know the foreign relations, we know your governments policy better than what you might know about them. We know the law of land in India and I promise you Poki Man, that we will send your beloved MD back to S Korea for violating the labour law in India, misrepresenting the company figures and facilities to the labour ministry. Of course not before being prosecuted in India. Ask him to get a best lawyer (not from Korea but from India) to defend him.

Thanks IamWhatIam. Koreans do not know how to respect others. Because koreans are tribal people. Their food, culture and body features are the evidences of their tribal nature. Their students are very bad in education, even donot know the basics. Koreans send their women to USA and Europe as prostitutes (ref. NYTimes: 80% of prostitutes captured by New York police are from South Korea and there are 8000 S. Korean prostitutes in USA). The 1.6% of South Korean GDP are from prostitution industry (prostitution is an unrecognized industry in S. Korea).

It is widely known that S. Koreans are leftover of Japanese and colonized by Americans even today and in 1953 Indians helped S. Koreans to get back war-prisoners from Japanese. India did send 250 doctors to S. Korea as medical aid.

Today S. Koreans are copycat buffoons.

So, in conclusion: South Korea is a copycat, colonized, buffoon prostitute country.

Hmmm...good questions from Min-Ho (I think you are American-Koreans)...any way...questions are really insightful...
Hello Indians, anybody, please answer these questions. Waiting...

Can somebody here answer a few questions of mine (all are peculiar observations during my stay in India):

1. Why Indian car company TATA has only 11% market share in India where as Korean Hyundai has 20% market share in India? Indians do not like/believe their own company?

1.1 Why Indians prefer to buy LG AC machine and not their own Indian Godrej AC machine?
1.2 Why Indians prefer to buy Samsung/LG TV/Fridge/Washing machines/phones and not their own Indian Videocon/Godrej/Onida/Spice/Micromax/Reliance/TATA products?

2. Why Indian government over-flow IITs by funds/research-projects and force Indian universities to starve for fund/research-projects?

3. Why majority Indians and HR of corporates think that IIT-pass outs are talented and university-pass outs are idiots (as a matter of fact, an ordinary students who is IIT pass out get more salary than a talented university pass out in India!)?

4. Why Indians think (common Indians, university professors, corporates etc.) that ANY foreign university degree from ANY foreign country is better and more prestigious than any Indian degree?

5. Why Indian economic growth is 8% but inflation is 11% and Indian government does NOTHING fruitful/innovative to contain it?

6. Why common Indians suffer from lack of world-class public-health-care facilities at government hospitals (i.e. death-homes) and private nursing homes (very expensive) are better places for treatment AND Indian government (central/state) does nothing about it?

7. Why in India, 300 people having MA(Econ.), MBA apply for ONE Office Assistant post for monthly salary of US$100?

8. Why in India, 300 people having BE/ME/PhD in engineering apply for ONE Software Developer job for monthly salary of US$300?

9. Why a MBBS/MD doctor in India is payed US$150 as stipend for 10hrs. of emergency duty in hospitals/nursing homes?

10. Why one Indian office manager/software engineer/magistrate/doctor/clerk/officer gets very angry seeing that a rickshaw puller in India is eating a few grapes or an apple or an orange? Why they think in mind: ONLY I SHOULD EAT THESE GOOD FRUITS AND NOT ALL AROUND ME SHOULD EAT THESE.

11. Why Indian government/journalists/media/NGO invite foreign people/journalists/media to showcase their poverty to world through documentaries/movies/news reports? (For example, remember, Slum-Dog-Millionaire movie and image painted there about India? There are Indian actors acted in that movie, right? And the composer got award from your Indian PM, right?)

12. Why Indian government/journalists/media/NGO never and NEVER invite foreign people/journalists/media to showcase their Indian achievements/contributions to the world through documentaries/movies/news reports?

Can anybody please answer to my queries?

Why don ot anybody from India answer my questions? Can somebody here answer a few questions of mine (all are peculiar observations during my stay in India):

1. Why Indian car company TATA has only 11% market share in India where as Korean Hyundai has 20% market share in India? Indians do not like/believe their own company?

1.1 Why Indians prefer to buy LG AC machine and not their own Indian Godrej AC machine?
1.2 Why Indians prefer to buy Samsung/LG TV/Fridge/Washing machines/phones and not their own Indian Videocon/Godrej/Onida/Spice/Micromax/Reliance/TATA products?

2. Why Indian government over-flow IITs by funds/research-projects and force Indian universities to starve for fund/research-projects?

3. Why majority Indians and HR of corporates think that IIT-pass outs are talented and university-pass outs are idiots (as a matter of fact, an ordinary students who is IIT pass out get more salary than a talented university pass out in India!)?

4. Why Indians think (common Indians, university professors, corporates etc.) that ANY foreign university degree from ANY foreign country is better and more prestigious than any Indian degree?

5. Why Indian economic growth is 8% but inflation is 11% and Indian government does NOTHING fruitful/innovative to contain it?

6. Why common Indians suffer from lack of world-class public-health-care facilities at government hospitals (i.e. death-homes) and private nursing homes (very expensive) are better places for treatment AND Indian government (central/state) does nothing about it?

7. Why in India, 300 people having MA(Econ.), MBA apply for ONE Office Assistant post for monthly salary of US$100?

8. Why in India, 300 people having BE/ME/PhD in engineering apply for ONE Software Developer job for monthly salary of US$300?

9. Why a MBBS/MD doctor in India is payed US$150 as stipend for 10hrs. of emergency duty in hospitals/nursing homes?

10. Why one Indian office manager/software engineer/magistrate/doctor/clerk/officer gets very angry seeing that a rickshaw puller in India is eating a few grapes or an apple or an orange? Why they think in mind: ONLY I SHOULD EAT THESE GOOD FRUITS AND NOT ALL AROUND ME SHOULD EAT THESE.

11. Why Indian government/journalists/media/NGO invite foreign people/journalists/media to showcase their poverty to world through documentaries/movies/news reports? (For example, remember, Slum-Dog-Millionaire movie and image painted there about India? There are Indian actors acted in that movie, right? And the composer got award from your Indian PM, right?)

12. Why Indian government/journalists/media/NGO never and NEVER invite foreign people/journalists/media to showcase their Indian achievements/contributions to the world through documentaries/movies/news reports?

Can anybody please answer to my queries?

Min Ho... please be patient... Answers are coming...I am on travel and once I get settled...all your questions will be answered. In the mean time might I suggest you to invest your strength, focus and energy on something constructive and useful.
If you still want to waste your time, then think about an answer to the following question of mine.

"What the hell does the number of cars sold by Tatas or Hyundais got to do with the bad policies of SISO. I have always said that this is the main issue and NO one had guts to reply to it. Will you agree if Americans in your territory say that we will sleep with your ladies because we are protecting your borders? Will you agree if they ask you to do something against your law? If the answer is yes, then I need not say anything more for you are already sold. If it is No, then you know what we are saying here".

Hello Indian people, could you please directly answer these questions posed by Min-Ho:
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Why donot anybody from India answer my questions? Can somebody here answer a few questions of mine (all are peculiar observations during my stay in India):

1. Why Indian car company TATA has only 11% market share in India where as Korean Hyundai has 20% market share in India? Indians do not like/believe their own company?

1.1 Why Indians prefer to buy LG AC machine and not their own Indian Godrej AC machine?
1.2 Why Indians prefer to buy Samsung/LG TV/Fridge/Washing machines/phones and not their own Indian Videocon/Godrej/Onida/Spice/Micromax/Reliance/TATA products?

2. Why Indian government over-flow IITs by funds/research-projects and force Indian universities to starve for fund/research-projects?

3. Why majority Indians and HR of corporates think that IIT-pass outs are talented and university-pass outs are idiots (as a matter of fact, an ordinary students who is IIT pass out get more salary than a talented university pass out in India!)?

4. Why Indians think (common Indians, university professors, corporates etc.) that ANY foreign university degree from ANY foreign country is better and more prestigious than any Indian degree?

5. Why Indian economic growth is 8% but inflation is 11% and Indian government does NOTHING fruitful/innovative to contain it?

6. Why common Indians suffer from lack of world-class public-health-care facilities at government hospitals (i.e. death-homes) and private nursing homes (very expensive) are better places for treatment AND Indian government (central/state) does nothing about it?

7. Why in India, 300 people having MA(Econ.), MBA apply for ONE Office Assistant post for monthly salary of US$100?

8. Why in India, 300 people having BE/ME/PhD in engineering apply for ONE Software Developer job for monthly salary of US$300?

9. Why a MBBS/MD doctor in India is payed US$150 as stipend for 10hrs. of emergency duty in hospitals/nursing homes?

10. Why one Indian office manager/software engineer/magistrate/doctor/clerk/officer gets very angry seeing that a rickshaw puller in India is eating a few grapes or an apple or an orange? Why they think in mind: ONLY I SHOULD EAT THESE GOOD FRUITS AND NOT ALL AROUND ME SHOULD EAT THESE.

11. Why Indian government/journalists/media/NGO invite foreign people/journalists/media to showcase their poverty to world through documentaries/movies/news reports? (For example, remember, Slum-Dog-Millionaire movie and image painted there about India? There are Indian actors acted in that movie, right? And the composer got award from your Indian PM, right?)

12. Why Indian government/journalists/media/NGO never and NEVER invite foreign people/journalists/media to showcase their Indian achievements/contributions to the world through documentaries/movies/news reports?

Can anybody please answer to my queries?

1. Why Indian car company TATA has only 11% market share in India where as Korean Hyundai has 20% market share in India? Indians do not like/believe their own company?
1.1 Why Indians prefer to buy LG AC machine and not their own Indian Godrej AC machine?
1.2 Why Indians prefer to buy Samsung/LG TV/Fridge/Washing machines/phones and not their own Indian Videocon/Godrej/Onida/Spice/Micromax/Reliance/TATA products?
---- Maruti Suziki has 45% of domestic market share in India. Tata's bought Land Rover, the famous brand in UK and Jaguar from Ford and also Daewoo motors truck wing in S Korea. Mahindra and Mahindra has been declared the most preferred bidder for another S Korean company SsangYong Motor Company.
---- Why korean products are popular in India. It is because they are cheap and they are cheap because companies like Samsung can burn the profits of memory division and sell other products at cheaper prices and may be even for loss. They can afford it and they do it to get the rivals out of market. I dont question the ethical values of this tactics as everything is fair is business and war. And Voltas and Godrej have business markets not in consumer AC, but they have been focusing more on industrial refrigeration.
---- Micromax is relatively new in India, yet they managed to reach the 3rd position. Lets wait for some more time to pass a judgment on them.

2. Why Indian government over-flow IITs by funds/research-projects and force Indian universities to starve for fund/research-projects?

-- I guess you have limited information on this. IITs are funded more than an average Univ, which is true. But other Indian Univs starve is a misrepresentation of facts. But this is the case almost everywhere. Why MITs and Caltechs are funded more than Harvey Mudd college. Why SNU is funded more than Hanbat National University.

3. Why majority Indians and HR of corporates think that IIT-pass outs are talented and university-pass outs are idiots (as a matter of fact, an ordinary students who is IIT pass out get more salary than a talented university pass out in India!)?

--- Not all the corporates treat it that way. Microsoft google, TI and Intel are among those who dont discriminate people based on their colleges. Until 2007 it was the same in SISO as well. But from 2008, they started discrimination. Now SISO claims that ts HR policy is an import from S Korea (a few posts above you will find this statement). So is it the nature of S Koreans to discriminate ppl based on their colleges. I dont know !

4. Why Indians think (common Indians, university professors, corporates etc.) that ANY foreign university degree from ANY foreign country is better and more prestigious than any Indian degree?
--- The other day I was travelling from Zurich to London when I met a Swiss born American lady and in the conversation she mentioned about ETH Zurich and said that it is the best Univ in Europe, but she quiclky added saying, the best engg in the world is of course in India (making a ref to IITs). So people definitely feel prestigious to go to Indian colleges that foreign univ.
Again N R Narayana Murthy said that his son could not get into IIT B and hence is looking for admission into CMU and Cornell Univ. First preference to Indian institutes and only then to Ivy league.

5. Why Indian economic growth is 8% but inflation is 11% and Indian government does NOTHING fruitful/innovative to contain it?
Ahm... This question requires an eloborate answer in terms of macro economic policies. However I would keep it short and say we have a robust economy and for a developing nation maintaining industrial growth and controlling inflation is like walking on the edge of a sword. However we have done fairly well, and when the world was reeling under recession, India had 6-7% GDP growth and a deflated economy. So we know how to control it.

6. Why common Indians suffer from lack of world-class public-health-care facilities at government hospitals (i.e. death-homes) and private nursing homes (very expensive) are better places for treatment AND Indian government (central/state) does nothing about it?
--- May be you should visit AIIMS and Ram Manohar Lohia once. You may also watch the Oscar winning documentary Smile Pinky to know how even the poorest of poor get the rarest of surgeries.

7. Why in India, 300 people having MA(Econ.), MBA apply for ONE Office Assistant post for monthly salary of US$100?

8. Why in India, 300 people having BE/ME/PhD in engineering apply for ONE Software Developer job for monthly salary of US$300?
---- This shows the talent pool in India (as against what Poki man said as illiterate). This is why companies are opening up their centers in India as they have skilled man power available. India has the highest outh population in the wold at the moment, so its quite natural to see what you have seen.

9. Why a MBBS/MD doctor in India is payed US$150 as stipend for 10hrs. of emergency duty in hospitals/nursing homes?
--- I am not clear on what you intend to ask in this question.

10. Why one Indian office manager/software engineer/magistrate/doctor/clerk/officer gets very angry seeing that a rickshaw puller in India is eating a few grapes or an apple or an orange? Why they think in mind: ONLY I SHOULD EAT THESE GOOD FRUITS AND NOT ALL AROUND ME SHOULD EAT THESE.
--- You have become a MIND READER. Great, but unfortunately your machine is buggy. If one person thinks that way, its not wise to equate whole of India with it. Its as bad as saying since Korean MD is an As* hole so all the Koreans are ! I will never say that. But if you asy, then you agree that you too are an as* hole.

11. Why Indian government/journalists/media/NGO invite foreign people/journalists/media to showcase their poverty to world through documentaries/movies/news reports? (For example, remember, Slum-Dog-Millionaire movie and image painted there about India? There are Indian actors acted in that movie, right? And the composer got award from your Indian PM, right?)
--- Govt does not invite to show case any one its poverty. India is a free country, Danny Boyle decided to make a movie and hence he did. Watch the movie completely with subtitles and you will know that the theme is even some one from poor background can reach heights if he has dedication and spirit. Thats the theme.

12. Why Indian government/journalists/media/NGO never and NEVER invite foreign people/journalists/media to showcase their Indian achievements/contributions to the world through documentaries/movies/news reports?
--- Oh really. Is it beacuse of this a tabloid in S Korea published the achievements of Chandrayan moon mission. Is this why Indians get prestigious Ramon Megassasay award. Do you think these are being done without the world watching what is happening in India.

Enough of questions, now answer to my questions which have been lying as it is since the day they were put.

Now let us answer to Indians:

1. North and South Korea: It is same between India and Pakistan and Bangladesh. All are same race (South Asians) but divided on religion. Actually that is very uncivilized to get divided on religion in 21 century of science-based society and thinking. Possibly this is because, South Asia is a big den of illiterates, including India, so there is a fight based on religion.
In case of Korea, the North-South division is based on a modern political theory and philosophy that is: Socialism vs. Capitalism. North wants to go on Socialistic model and South wants to go Capitalistic model. It is just differences of political theories and applications in modern country, Korea. The physical conflicts are mere demostration of temporary deviations.
It is to inform Indians that we (both North and South) are trying to unify, which is a slow process but happenning.
Of course, we know, you will never be able to unify South Asia because of relision divisions, poverty-distributions in regions (Pakistan and Bangladesh is poorer than India) and disparate developments (Pakistan and Bangladesh have no social infrastructure and India has scetorial growth, not the common mass).
By the way, North-India and South-India division is well known to world and also in SISO Korean management.

2. SISO policy and India-Korea compariosn: Of course it is important because, more we know about a country and its weakness from country-history, current political failures and current social structures, more we will be able to govern our enterprise better in a foreign market and foreign society. For example, Indian history of Babur (mughal king who Islamized India for 1500 years) and Clive (British Governor who founded 300 years long European rule in India) teaches us about our strategies to follow in India to succeed.
Now you know, we have successfully eliminated Onida/Videocon/Tata/Godrej from Indian market and Indian people now shout Samsung-Samsung-LG-LG-Hyundai-Hyundai in unison in media/news papers/house holds/young generation/old generation in India.
We are successful to control major market of India and its common Indians because we have learnt from your history of Mughals and British and we did test at management level about the application of same strategies even today and we have made success again in Indian society.
Hence, more we know the differences and the weaknesses of Indian political systems/education systems/social systems, we can use them in management in better manner in our Korean companies. Sometime, socio-economic strengths of one country translates into political governance of that country in future as did happen in India by East-India-Company. In present era and modern world, it may not be direct political ruling over India by S. Korea, but S. Korea can surely establish an pressure-point on Indian administration on opportunity
based on our economic might, market share in India, FDI and employment generation in India and international relations involving USA and China. It may not be a unipolar (economy-dependent political) colonization of India but multipolar colonization of India in future.

3. It is clear from Mr. IamWhatIam (an Indian) that, inherently he/she thinks that IITs are better than Indian universities (socio-political-educational discrimination prevailing in India for 3000 years).
For your information, funding differences between SNU and Kyeong-Pook National University and KAIST in Korea is less than 3% (not much). For your information, every National Universities in Korea and KAIST are given equal-fund by our Korean government to recruit foreign faculty-members. Today, SNU, KAIST, KNU and every other government universities in Korea can intake 10 faculty people from foreign countries. There is no discrimination between SNU, KAIST, KNU or any other places.
According to our studies on India, of course there is huge discrimination between IIT and other universities in India. Just to quote, Indian embassy, a few weeks ago, promoting IITs in S. Korea requesting S. Korean government to recruit post-docs from IITs. Strangely, they Indian officials never talk about Indian universities.
It is interesting to us seeing this approach, because, according to our information, all the Nobel winners of India are from Indian universities, NOT from IITs. During our recruitment, we have observed that IITs are mere technocrats (techno-mgmt. capability), not innovative researchers, in general.
And, every university of India we visited complained to us that Indian government adopt discriminatory funding and project allocation policies and there is a vast pool of talents in Indian universities who are frustrated to Indian system and want to go out of India never to return (brain-drain). We got example of Dr. Venkatraman (Chemistry Nobel) who was student of MS Baroda-University of India and migrated to abroad as Indian government did not provide funds to this university for long even though this university has so many talented students and professors. The same is our experiences while interacting with students of Indian universities.
We NEVER do such massive DISCRIMINATION in S. Korea and, that is the key of our social-educational-economic success.
WE WERE SURPRISED LAST THIS YEAR, WHEN ONE VISITING (NOT-INVITED) DIRECTOR OF IIT TOLD US THAT THERE SHOULD BE LESS IIT IN INDIA AND GOVERNMENT IS DILUTING THE BRAND. What?What? We were shocked and told him politely that, India is a land of billion people and you need 2000 IITs actually for technical education for all aspirants.
So, we got the point that our approaches are different. In S. Korea we try to offer opportinities to maximum population and in India, you want to restrict opportunities to a few.
So, Indian society, political system, educational system is FEUDAL and India never develops.

4. How many people of India go to AIIMS and another one (Rama Monihar etc.)? It is like IIT-mentality of Indians. How many AIIMS and Rama Monihari Hospitals are there in India, which is a land of billion people and suffering from HIV/AIDS/Dengue/Cholera/Malaria every year? Again discrimination, right? Is it not true that all government hospitals of India should have quality as AIIMS? Or, is it not true that India need 1000 AIIMS all over the country?
In S. Korea, every person (from sweeper to President) is covered by National Health Insurance and rich people payes more premiums and poor poeple pay less premiums. ALL IN S. KOREA GETS EQUAL TREATMENT AT EVERY GOVERNMENT HOSPITAL. ALL GOVERNMENT HOSPITALS IN OUR COUNTRY IS HAVING EQUAL AND HIGH QUALITY.
It is not the case in India. We understand that, Indian government want disparity to remain in India so that common Indians can be fooled and ruled easily.

5. 11% inflation in India is another government failure in India. Look at China, it has achieved 11% growth for last 3 years and maintained 3-5% inflation on average. Actually, it is another management-failure of Indian government.

6. The percolation of wealth from high-income group to low-income group is very very rapid in China and S. Korea. So, these two countries are developed in short time. S. Korea has achieved all-inclusive-growth in our society. Our sweeper or gardenar can afford 3 decent meals a day and a proper housing having sanitation and university education for their children.
Waelth of Indian GDP is captired with in 5% population and rest 95% common people are economic-scavangers on roads having NO access to nutritious meals/quality health-care/quality education.

We think we have enough reasons to treat you Indians as inferiors and we are superior race and our country is far more civilized than yours.

Once the game is over, the King and the pawn go back in the same box.
- Italian Proverb

1. Ok. I too personally hope that the Korean peninsula is united again, though I do not bet on it. Now coming to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, among the list except Pakistan other two are secular states. India is secular by constitution and Bangladesh is secular as well confirmed recently by its Supreme court. Bangladesh and Pakistan were united till 1971 and they split not because of religion. Read history book to know more.
2. Read history book again. Had Babur established Mughal empire 1500 yrs ago we would have been in 3010 not 2010. Ok, where did Babur and his Mughal empire go? Where did the East India company and the British empire go? The same will happen to SISO soon (I do not say S Korea because I do not equate SISO to S Korea. I am diplomat after all !)
3. IITs are essentially technical schools, so it is expected to produce technocrats not scientists. Well you say it does not produce innovators, I say go and ask Vinod Khosla of Sun Microsystems or Padmasree Warrior to know on what they have to say. May be you will read their profiles and come back saying "They did MS in US so they are successful". To preempt such a question also watch the documentary on IITs to listen what Mr.Khosla has to say.
And yes Dr. Venky, I am not 100% sure on what you claim about lack of funds and his dislike towards India. (I too can claim 100 things but we need accurate things isnt it). I am scheduled to go to London 2 weeks later and I will make sure to meet him in Cambridge.
What Mr.Unofficial of IIT had to say I dont know. But the policy of govermnet is to create more IITs and institutes of excellence. Ask your SISO HR to know more info.
India is currently focusing on Primary and secondary education and New Delhi's policy is more inclined towards it. We have passed a bill recognising Right to Education as a fundamental right not too long ago and we (including you) will see the result in coming years.
4. Whats the population of S Korea 48-49 million right? There is a state in India by name Andhra Pradesh whose population is 76 million and it has a health insurance cover for all poor and backward class people by name "Arogya Shree". The scheme has been a tremendous success and is being expanded to other states as well. To get more information spend Rs 10 and file a request under RTI.
5. As I already said you need a course of macroeconomics to understand the fiscal policy. Briefly China is export driven economy and India is import driven. For energy needs to India is dependent on oil from middle east and their prices are the reason why we have inflatory pressures. We are no US to wage a war against Iraq to save a nickle on gallon of gas.
We are channelising our energy needs and sources. One of them is the civil nuclear deal (only non-NPT/CTBT nation to achieve this). Again this is a recent development and I hope with time we will see the best result.
6. Again the reason is population in India, although your claim about China is wrong. Remember China is a Single party communist government and India is a democracy. If Bejing decides to nationalise all the wealth it could do with out any opposition, but its not the case in India. However having said that in China in 50-60s there was huge disparity between rich and poor and communist policy was aggressively implemented to bring it in balance. Now again due to the opening of markets in China this parity is again on rise (which is a key issue for them now). I know Bejing's approach to it and I hope they will succeed.

Now you have enough answers why not to treat Indians inferior. Treat us at your own risk, if you wnat to be thrown out just like Mughals or East India company.

India is a sovereign country and not even S Korean government can ask/demand/dictate on policy matters, forget about Samsung. SISO cannot claim the same, because it is in Indian territory. This is the difference. I have asked my civil servant friends in India to get records and check if any legal action can be taken against SISO for its violation of employee rights. We will soon let you know more about this.

I am busy for next 3 weeks with international engagements, so in case if you dont find a reply from me, dont get upset and wait patiently. Afterall politeness is in your nature (claimed by Poki Man !)

Good day !

Another sidelined reply from an inferior and poor Indo saram (Indian), IamWhatIam from a poor illiterate country. This Indian person is confused or trying to hide nasty truth about India.

Hello, why do not you answer and acknowledge the two major facts mentioned by Jeong M. Guo:

1. Government hospitals in your country is death-homes and have no equipments. It is like African situation in your public health-care sector. Do not you think your poor countrymen need 1000 AIIMS in India? Why are you silent about it?

We have seen in our TV channel a documentary made by NGO in India, where your Indian people (common middle class and poors) are crying and crying for the deaths of their relatives in government hospitals because, your RUBBISH and FEUDAL and CORRUPT Indian government (including you if you are Indian diplomat really) did NOTHING to modernise government hospitals in India. Crying people of India told in front of camera that Indian government did nothing for common Indians in health-care and private nursing homes are good but very very expensive (they cannot afford).

They said, Indian government ministers and officers go to abroad for treatment and rich people of India (5% population max.) go to private nursing homes in India. The rest population just die in government hospitals because:

1. No modern equipments are there in ALL government hospitals in India.
2. Maintenance of equipments are bad, some are broken and nobody care.
3. Indian government treat common people (middle class and poors) as cattle herd, ignore their basic need.

Tell me you inferior Indian, what kind of government is it? Is it civilized system there? Is this way you treat your own common people in India and provide public health-care? Is it not true that you got freedom 65 years ago to develop your country (enough time).

2. Again proved that you are another inferior discriminating Indian. Answer straight: Why do your government do not give enough fund to 300 Indian universities BUT give excess fund to ONLY 15 IITs? What kind of education policy is this in any civilized country? Do you maintain your CAST-SYSTEM in education sector of India too? Why do you discriminate educational organizations as superiors and inferiors?

When we visited Indian universities, every body of every university complained to us about lack of funds and INDIAN GOVERNMENT DISCRIMINATION POLICY BETWEEN EDUCATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS IN FUNDING AND PROJECT-ALLOCATION.

This is clear now why INDIA IS AN ILLITERATE COUNTRY TODAY.

It is hard to imagine in any civilized country that, 300 universities are starving/complaining/suffering in a country and only 15 IITs are enjoying all benefits in a country, India ! India is truly illiterate and uncivilized country governed by corrupt+illiterate+inferior+feudal government. Common people are suffering and suffering in this country.

So SHUT UP your mouth, and, first improve your country before you talk garbage in international community. People are not idiots, we know pathetic living-condition (quality-of-life) of common people in India (that is education/health-care/poverty/jobs/salary/inflation/slums/discrimination/corruption/government-apathy).

WE CANNOT IMAGINE SUCH GOVERNMENT APATHY AND FEUDALISM IN S. KOREA AS IN CASE OF INDIA.

Hello IamWhatIam, first bring smiles/happiness to majority faces of commons in India and then, ask to respect your country and your government. Until then, you are from a disrespected country (and I bet you know it).

And, yes, if you ask for aid, we from S. Korea can send aid and management-personals to India to rescue India and Indian government because, we are rich, civilized, uniform donor country. And, additionally, YOU ALL INDIANS MUST OBEY OUR MD IN SISO. SISO is our Korea company who is employing you and paying you high salary to maintain good life in this low-grade country, India.

IN ADDITION TO ABOVE:

Just now our TV here in Korea shown the unbelievable level of corruption happening in India right now in their common-wealth-game at dirty Delhi. Bloody Indian bus**ard diplomats, bureaucrats, ministers, businessmen have totally RAPED the IMAGE of INDIA to international community by their own acts. You see, nobody in India is actually Indians, all Indians are migrant tribes and THEY NEED OUR RULING OVER INDIA.

Hello all inferior Indians, why are you silent now, you inferior creatures, corrupted brown apes.

From now on, SHUT UP and OBEY our Korean MD, who is ruling you hard in SISO, you deserve lashes on your brown back. We are not yet doing that. You understand, Indians. Inferiors.

WE WILL RULE YOU SOON. WE ARE RULING IN SISO NOW. YOU DESERVE OUR RULING.

Hi Guys,

This thread is about policies of SISO Bangalore. Let us discuss the relevant facts and not make it an issue between Korea and India. I have several friends in Korea and it is a great country with great people. Same for India. Yes every country has its own strengths and weakness but that should not be the topic of discussion here.

Regarding policies in SISO, there has been a drastic change in the past 1 year; and as most SISO employees would agree; the changes are not very employee friendly.

I know these concerns should be handled by the employee engagement team; but insofar they have been unable to answer most of the raised concerns adequately. Therefore I propose to put the concerns in the public forum.

1. Change in travel Policy -
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When on travel engineers are usually expected to work very hard and including weekends. Schedules are stretched, several managers are tracking your progress and there is no personal life. The earlier SISO policy used to pay adequately to partly compensate for the effort that the engineers are putting. Engineers had the option to stay in a luxury hotel and SISO would pay of it or take a fixed amount and arrange their own accommodation. Statistics clearly show that most of the people preferred to arrange their own accommodation while on travel and were able to save reasonably good money. Indians culturally are inclined towards saving money since as a country we have gone through financially difficult times before. I think earlier SISO was doing well to respect that culture and balance aspirations of employees and commercial goals.
However with the new travel policy SISO pays on the actual hotel bills. Engineers are unable to save much and this creates lot of discontentment since we work extremely hard while on travel and it is not acknowledged in any way.

Three points worth mentioning here -
a. SISO is paying more when it pays for the hotel bills instead of giving a fixed sum but nobody gains out of it (except the hotels!).
b. In Korea the guest-houses in which Indians stay have increased their rates from 30 dollars to 60 dollars for the same facility. I wonder what is the ownership pattern of these guest-houses and who is the biggest benefactor.
c. Less and less engineers are willing to travel and this is creating a bottleneck for project commercializations - not good for Samsung.

My question to the management is that why do we have this policy which does not benefit either Samsung or the employee?

2. New Timing Policy:
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In India if you are working in the banking sector you'll have to reach office strictly at 8 AM. But the bank closes and shuts shop at 5 PM and all employees go home at that time.
In SISO the official timings are 8:30 to 5:30 but many employees stay back much later than 5:30. The general feeling is that if you are leaving at 5:30 you do not have much work! If SISO wants to be very particular about the opening hours it should be very particular about closing hours as well.
If you want employees to work beyond scheduled hours you should give them the flexibility to come late as well.
The hideous message here is that they want to imbibe the Korean culture of long working hours and less time for personal life in India. I think respecting the culture of the employees is much more important if you want to have a successful working relationship. So many other multinationals, especially american and European, do that in India and it is mutually beneficial to both.

3. New Appraisal Policy:
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Till last year engineers who were good with their work used to get pretty good ratings. However this year they changed the policy to a bell-curve wherein if someone is rated 1 (excellent performance) another engineer has to be rated as 5 (very poor performance) so that the average remains at 3 (average performance). Now the engineers who deserve a 1 cannot get 1 because his manager will have to make a scapegoat of someone and give him a 5. Since people do not get a good rating they get similar hikes irrespective of performance. There is not enough recognition for your contributions at work. This system does not reward the top-performers and inhibits their growth prospects. I have seen so many top performers quit SISO for this reason. SISO had an extremely good talent pool from some of the best engineering colleges including IIT's and NIT's. In terms of quality; It is very difficult to replace the top-performers who are quitting SISO. In the long run the work quality is surely going to be affected because of this.

4. New Breakfast/Transport facility:
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Free breakfast/transportation is a farce in the truest sense of the word. Although the official timings are from 8:30, SISO buses reach office at 7:45. My question is that by working an extra 30 mins (lets leave 15 mins for breakfast) are the employees not generating much more value for Samsung than the cost of the breakfast/transportation?

5. Centralized Control:
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Across the globe decentralization of authority is considered to be a good management policy for organizations the size of SISO. However in SISO when you raise a concern it almost always gets addressed as "MD has a vision for SISO. So this policy has been made"; and there cannot be any healthy debate on it with the HR. So the managers, senior managers and HR are relatively powerless to resolve employee grievances because the rule-book does not permit. Sometime back a simple late attendance mail used to require approval all the way upto group-head to whom more than 2000 people are reporting. Can we give some more authority to immediate managers who know ground facts better?

Because of all these reasons SISO now has a very high attrition rate. Almost everyone internally is either planning to quit or is totally dissatisfied with the policies. (might quit soon in the future)

Few facts regarding job scenario in India:
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1. India is a developing economy which does encourage MNC setting up offices to mutually benefit the company and employees but it is not overtly dependent on South Korea for job creations. Engineers here have multiple options - home grown infosys/tcs/wipro - these three majors themselves employ about 0.4 million engineers. So yes while we do like to work for MNC's we do have lot many options as well.

2. Samsung does not do any favor by recruiting engineers in India - it is business. Its an accepted fact that India has a huge talent pool of engineers and it being an emerging economy; companies can recruit good engineers at relatively less pay. So it is mutually beneficial for Samsung and employees; not one way.

I hope management heeds to the concerns raised by so many people here and reverts back to the earlier; more employee friendly policies. It would be more beneficial to both.

Again request people to please respect both countries and show some maturity in this discussion.

Regards,
SISO WellWisher

Hello Mr. SISO_facts, Mr. SISO WellWisher and other Indians:

Your letter above proved you are another cheap+beggar-type+inferior Indian from cheap-low-family-background. We in Korea know this very very well. Thank you for proving it here. Hello, Mr. IamWhatIam, see your cheap and manipulative and beggar type Indo sarams from low-quality families of India.

Now, let us tell you low-grade-family, cheap, beggar, manipulative, lazy Indian beggars:

1. It is world-standard practice to reimburse actual-cost on payment of hotel/transport/food bills. Why do not you stay in luxury at abroad while on duty, SISO will pay the cost on bill payment.

You are so beggar and cheap and manipulative that, you and other Indians want to stay in shanty and drink water as food and save dollars at abroad payed by SISO. Sorry, that is very beggar type cheap approach, Indians.

Listen, you need to be CIVILIZED more and we will not allow the malpractice you are wanting. You are payed well salary in SISO. But still you want to live cheaply and want SISO to pay non-actual cost.

This is manipulation. We will not allow it and we will civilize you because Indians like you are very very UNCIVILIZED from CHEAP-FAMILIES of India.

2. SISO pays your food as SODEXHO coupon. No cash will be given to you, sorry. Why don't you use your coupon for nutritious food which your father-mother could not provide you in your childhood in India?
Our advise to you Indians: use SODEXHO coupons given to you by SISO (free of cost) to eat good protein-foods and fruits. You can use it in your Indian shopping malls too. Even you can buy good fruits and protein-foods for your kids, mother and father at your home in India.

3. Yes, you have to work harder and harder for all those benefits given to you.
Remember, India is a large and impoverished country full of low-grade cheap families alike yours, who are manipulative and excess-hungry for quick rupees at any cost.
But, we cannot allow you to behave in this uncivilized and cheap manner in modern society of world . You are given well salary and benefits in MNCs including SISO. So, you cheap Indians now should try to learn better-living, ethics and social-values from developed and civilized countries today such as, S. Korea, USA, Europe, China etc.
You should try to improve, be more civilized and having better-quality-of-life by seeing us and by following our orders given to you.

Lastly, you should be honest in working and work harder for the development of you and your impoverished country, India.

And, you learn not to show your cheap behaviour and beggar-attitude to world.

Why are we not ruling India? We should start it as a process. China, USA and South Korea combined should share Indian resources and Indians will work for our great countries for the salary we are paying.

We must colonize and rule India in future.

@ HongGa

You keep working 20hrs a day and copy all Japanese and US technologies.
You can rule the moon in one day ;) ( Yeah you need to develop your rocket technology which is 30 yrs behind
India, 40 years behind US and 20yrs behind their half parent Japanese )..

But anyway without US South Korea cant think about ruling anything outside korea.
( Let alone they rule South Korea by themselves first )

@ Min-Ho

You are not running a charity in India.
I was an ex-employee and i know how Samsung copied Qualcomm code.
If i expose this to them, samsung might need to millions of dollars to them ( Be careful first ;) )

Before thinking about India think about North koreans who are eating human flesh and dog meat for hunger.
And remember, Koraens have the habit of wishing fellow Koreans by asking "Have you taken rice" ;).
The above point clearly puts the Koreans back on the square one.

Hello Indian workers, yes, we are running charity in India. We are feeding your family, your kids and you. So STOP you workers. If you want more dollars, send your Indian mom and sister and daughter to us. But no concession will be given to reimbursement-bill malpractice. And, you workers must obey our MD and work harder and harder. That is it.

@Min-Ho

FYI, charity mean giving it free, so i recommend you to keep sending money to India by working 20hrs a day,
and my fellow Indian stop working in SISO.

Your comments shows how low class you are.
Might be because your parenst, friends and relatives might have suffered greatly from the hands of Japan.
Ssince 80% of the koreans women are raped by Japanese and forced as a comfort women,
you are showing great strains of respecting women because of your mixed/raped Japanese parentage.
Anywya keep workign 20hrs a day or else North Korea or china will occupy and rape your women again.

Greetings everyone,
I would like to remove some delusions which these Koreans are having:

1. Is Samsung/Korea is doing charity? : hell no. Grow up boys.You are here for business. Our people work, you pay them money. Where does charity come into picture? We buy your stuff, you need our vast market. You work like hell and we enjoy your products. Enough said.

2. Is South Korea better than India? : The answer is yes and no. If you say in terms of living conditions, then, Korea is better. If you ask who can kick whose a**, then the answer will be India can kick korea like people kick street dogs. Just one nuke is enough to send korea back to stone age. So, don't compare India and your country, both are good in their own way.

3. Who will loose more if we cancel our good relations? : Samsung will loose. No need to argue here, it is too obvious.

4. Why are these Koreans are jumping too much ? : Because they have USA behind their a**. Remove the US rod of power from korea and they will start squeaking like a mouse.

At last, I again say that never compare both the countries as their political, economic and cultural conditions are very different. Nobody is better than the other overall. You have a right to defend your work culture, but you have no right to say derogatory things about others. Grow up ;)

You slave Indo, British people rule and colonized you, Islam Mughals ruled you too. Now you are slaves of China, Korea, USA and Europe. You poor brown slaves, you must work harder for SISO and STOP talking. You have to obey our Korean MD. Follow what we and he say.

Earlier you worshiped your Mughal masters and British masters, now you will worship Korean masters and American masters soon. In future, Korea, China and S. Korea will colonize Indians.

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